Evolution outdoors Hyde- 100gr aluminum hesitations

[Erussell01]

Has anybody had any issues with the 100 grain version of the hyde broadhead?

My only holdup is that the ferrule is 7075 aluminum. I've killed a few deer with them, and had blades bend (as I've heard Dale say many times is intended). I typically want either steel or titanium for all the up front components in my arrow set ups for hunting on the off chance that I hit something really hard.

Way back in the day I killed a bunch of critters with Swhacker 100 grainers, and before that I used Rage broadheads to kill just about everything. I moved away from both after having multiple instances of the ferrules bending on hard impacts. To be fair, I never lost an animal from them, but it wasn't what I wanted to see.

Fast forward to current, I have had great luck with Grim Reapers, and some of them I have used have aluminum ferrules. I do use Sevr broadheads a ton as well, but am considering a complete switch to evolution for this season to see how they do on more than just the 3 animals I've taken with them.


I have been impressed with their performance in flight, blood trails and my only hesitation is the 100 grainers are aluminum and I don't want to revamp my setup completely to keep my total arrow weight the same ish and be able to run the 125 version since I have a pile of 100 grain heads and currently no 125s in any other head to run.


Has anybody had any issues with the 7075 aluminum version or am I being a worry wort over nothing?

 

[Bump79]

I don't think it's a concern.

Here's why: 7075 T6 aluminum is nearly as strong as 416 hardened steel but is only 39% of the mass. So you can see in the below pictures that even with 25 grains less in the ferrule - there is more aluminum there. So while it is a little less in the strength in material, it is less whittled down and likely makes it as strong as the 125. If not more.

If you wanted to upgrade in strength you'd need to upgrade to the 150 grain model IMHO.

Top bar 7075 T6 vs bottom bar 416.

7075-T6 Aluminum vs. Hardened AISI 416 :: MakeItFrom.com

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[Erussell01]

I don't think it's a concern.

Here's why: 7075 T6 aluminum is nearly as strong as 416 hardened steel but is only 39% of the mass. So you can see in the below pictures that even with 25 grains less in the ferrule - there is more aluminum there. So while it is a little less in the strength in material, it is less whittled down and likely makes it as strong as the 125. If not more.

If you wanted to upgrade in strength you'd need to upgrade to the 150 grain model IMHO.

Top bar 7075 T6 vs bottom bar 416.
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7075-T6 Aluminum vs. Hardened AISI 416 :: MakeItFrom.com

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That actually makes sense, thank you for taking the time to go that in depth.

 

[Erussell01]

I don't think it's a concern.

Here's why: 7075 T6 aluminum is nearly as strong as 416 hardened steel but is only 39% of the mass. So you can see in the below pictures that even with 25 grains less in the ferrule - there is more aluminum there. So while it is a little less in the strength in material, it is less whittled down and likely makes it as strong as the 125. If not more.

If you wanted to upgrade in strength you'd need to upgrade to the 150 grain model IMHO.

Top bar 7075 T6 vs bottom bar 416.
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7075-T6 Aluminum vs. Hardened AISI 416 :: MakeItFrom.com

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Seeing the graph and then the picture was a great visual for a caveman like me. I have shot them through 3 animals as of now and the ferrules on all 3 spin true so maybe my fear is really not founded.

 

[Bump79]

That actually makes sense, thank you for taking the time to go that in depth.

You bet! I'm kind of a nerd.. at least that's what my wife says lol

 

[Erussell01]

You bet! I'm kind of a nerd.. at least that's what my wife says lol

What is your background? They way you articulated the info made it clear and easy to understand, so you must either be a teacher or an engineer that spends enough time with dummies like me hahaha

 

[Bump79]

What is your background? They way you articulated the info made it clear and easy to understand, so you must either be a teacher or an engineer that spends enough time with dummies like me hahaha

Haha I'm a construction engineer. So I'm both a dummy and a engineer.

 

[CJ_BG]

I've not used the aluminum evolutions but I have tried a fair number of different broadheads. I put a little 75gr rocket wolverine into the spine of a doe and only had bent blades. Unless you hit something really hard at a bad angle you'll be fine.

I would advise to keep at least 1 or 2 of something else that you trust in the quiver. I try at least 1 new head per year but I will never be without a sevr 1.5 or 1.75 in my quiver. I trust them to perform even if it's a less than optimal situation. They are my next up for any follow up shots or if I have reason to believe the other head won't work.

 

[big44a4]

Real impact for 125 would be speed. Most people aren’t taking hunting shots long enough to need a new setup due to 25gr. They can’t shoot consistent enough to tell the difference either.

That said I use the 125s have buddies shooting both and we all have had good results with either.

 

[chasewild]

I bought six of the hundred grain evolutions after watching and hearing from several very credible sources have complete pass-throughs with massive wound channels. This includes polar bear, brown bear, ton of elk, moose, etc..

I have been shooting them with my back up broadhead (Trophy Taker A-Tac) and the evolutions fly nearly as good as the A-TACs.


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[doc holiday13]

Jump to a 125g and you'll have a stainless ferrule. 25g isn't going to kill your site tape

 

[Erussell01]

Real impact for 125 would be speed. Most people aren’t taking hunting shots long enough to need a new setup due to 25gr. They can’t shoot consistent enough to tell the difference either.

That said I use the 125s have buddies shooting both and we all have had good results with either.

I agree that most people can't tell a difference im 25 grains, but I certainly can at 80+ yards where I spend 90% of my time shooting. I'm comfortable with my arrow weight, I'm not looking at 125 for more weight but just for the step into a steel ferrule in that particular model.

 

[Erussell01]

Jump to a 125g and you'll have a stainless ferrule. 25g isn't going to kill your site tape

After 80 it's noticeable in my set up.
My current arrow is 475 grains with a 100 grain tip and the 60 grain victory stainless. If I went to 125 to get steel, I'd likely adjust to a 30 grain titanium from podium to keep similar weight and speed. At 31 inches of draw length, 74 pounds and 475 grains I'm not lacking penetration and I like my trajectory at the speeds I'm getting (294 average)

I haven't had an aluminum hyde fail, but I've had rages back In the day, swhackers and even aluminum grim reapers bend so my preference is steel or titanium for all front end parts.

Bump79 did make me feel a lot better but in the back of my head I still just always remember pulling a candy cane swhacker out of a deer. It died, and it died fast but it wasn't what I expected

 

[big44a4]

I agree that most people can't tell a difference im 25 grains, but I certainly can at 80+ yards where I spend 90% of my time shooting. I'm comfortable with my arrow weight, I'm not looking at 125 for more weight but just for the step into a steel ferrule in that particular model.

Same here that’s why I went with 125s for me.

 

[Erussell01]

Same here that’s why I went with 125s for me.

If i didnt have a a dozen sevrs and exodus hesds in 100 id probably just do 125 and never look back. But I'm trying to burn my stock first

 

[NXTZ]

In case you haven’t see this one, Dale sends a 100grain version into steel. Seems pretty stout to me.

 

[Erussell01]

In case you haven’t see this one, Dale sends a 100grain version into steel. Seems pretty stout to me.

Thank you!

 

[Erussell01]

In case you haven’t see this one, Dale sends a 100grain version into steel. Seems pretty stout to me.

Yeah that held up better than I thought. I think I'll do something crazy and take one of my used ones and shoot it at a sharp angle into something hard to ease my mine.

I had an odd deflection with a grim reaper last year for the first time ever on a follow up shot. Never had that so now I'm all nervous over probably nothing.


I think in all reality the victory components will likely fail before the broadhead but I'm still just needing a little safety blanket to help me sleep at night

 

[NXTZ]

Yeah that held up better than I thought. I think I'll do something crazy and take one of my used ones and shoot it at a sharp angle into something hard to ease my mine.

I’ve done exactly that-at the end of the day, seeing/doing it for yourself will do more for your confidence than hours of internet/youtube research. In the scheme of things, what’s 1 broadhead “sacrificed” to have 100% confidence in your setup? Besides, if it fails, better to find out now than on an animal.

 

[Erussell01]

I’ve done exactly that-at the end of the day, seeing/doing it for yourself will do more for your confidence than hours of internet/youtube research. In the scheme of things, what’s 1 broadhead “sacrificed” to have 100% confidence in your setup? Besides, if it fails, better to find out now than on an animal.

Ok fine, pics of the carnage incoming