Everyone ready for lockdown 2.0?

[SurfAMHuntPM]

I hope this round passes without more state level measures. The financial, healthcare and supply chain hangover is already with us far too long

 

[WRM]

So non vaxed are supposed to get vaxed to protect people that are already vaxed in case the vax isn't effective?

I think you accurately stated it. You get a Fauci Jr star (for truthiness).

 

[roadrunner]

Everything you say there makes complete sense to me. Again, I am a healthcare professional but it's clear in the workplace people have a 'holier than thou' mentality. Our city and county is headed toward lockdown. Our executive has stated on Friday that things are "dire" out there and the mask mandate has returned. Many of my very, very educated friends and family that are in construction, business, finance, healthcare, etc. are not getting the vaccine. I would get it if I were them, and I did get it. But, their reasons for not getting it make sense to me. 1. Their risk of covid is exceedingly low, lower than driving their vehicles. 2. They don't trust the government, both sides, because of all the verbal diarrhea that has come out. The same government tells people the virus is made up by Trump, then tell us we have to shut it down, but now it's racist to shut it down, then some areas are open and some are closed. 3. They don't trust the vaccine. This is the one I have a harder time with but I agree side effects can happen and understand their hesitancy. 4. They just don't want to do it.

The problem is workplaces are going to mandate it, and people need to feed and house their family. The other problem is people are profiting off this by staying home and getting government, ie my, money. I was at a restaurant Saturday with my family. We sat there for 30 minutes before seated because the kitchen was too short staffed. We got a beer at the bar. Finally sat at our table and noone came by. Went to the bar to get another beer and lemonade for the kids. Still noone came by. Finally a waitress tried to give us someone elses order on accident. We politely told her we didn't order and that noone has waited on us yet, not even for water. Another 20 minutes go by and still noone came by so we grabbed the hostess and then someone took our order. THe manager came out to comp our entire dinner. We didn't ask for that. They were clearly suffering from COVID and the fact that EVERYONE there was likely a highschool student trying to make an extra buck and this was their first service job but management couldn't get experienced people to work, despite someone on the sidewalk outside the area with a sign saying "can't find work, anything helps, god bless." I left them a $100 tip because if they did this for free (normal times i would have either walked out or taken the free meal) now the service staff are disinsentivised and are going to do a poorer job.

This all could have been solved in the sense of making the best of a crappy situation and most people being on the same page if the federal government didn't have such power to be divisive.

My question for those many people on here who say "didn't lock down the first time, not going to this time." While I bicker about it every time someone asks me to wear a mask to walk in a restaurant and immediately take it off once through the door, at church, at the store, kids school, kids activities etc, how do you say so black and white you didn't abide last year and you wont this year? I feel this is a community issue and your local/regional government is what is deciding if you comply or not, and not your personal decision. Unless, of course, you never go to a grocery store or anywhere else for that matter outside of your homestead.

The American model of fun and toys have prevented people from being able to tell any employer to shove it. Employers by nature ensure a lot of jobs pay just enough to keep people from telling employers to shove it because they need some way to support their households.

Mask mandates are for the feeble minded fools that cannot think or act for themselves...

 

[DenverCountryBoy]

Let's not get to distracted from the audits.

Twitter just banned all of the official audit accounts.

 

[Sccritterkiller]

So another question for the non vaccine people as I’m genuinely curious: If your employer said you either had to get the vaccine or sign a waiver that said health insurance wouldn’t cover any COVID related costs if you denied the vaccine, would you sign or get vaccinated?

Depends if works comp will cover any of the side effects of the shot. Since you can't hold the manufacturer responsible, if I am forced to get the shot, it's not a vaccine by definition, by my employer then they should cover any costs incurred from side effects of a non FDA approved product. I may consider it.

Given my age I have over a 99% chance of survival so I don't see the need to risk the side effects.

 

[5MilesBack]

If they can legally and constitutionally force people to get a vaccine, then they can also legally and constitutionally ban women from getting abortions. I mean it's all just about saving lives......right? Or perhaps it has nothing to do with "saving lives".

 

[zion zig zag]

Are all of you 'never again' maskers just never going to fly again? Or are you going to be the ones that agree to wear a mask and then throw a fit at 30k feet?

 

[Elkdreamer]

I have been practicing for this my whole life.

Hate crowds, big events, flying, long lines, people in my zone, being restricted, ect.

Love spending time enjoying space, nature, country life, mountains, select few good people, freedom ect,

Who knew!!

 

[5MilesBack]

Are all of you 'never again' maskers just never going to fly again?

I am a "never was" masker, and yes.......I will never fly again under their covid rules. Well that and being 6'6", their increasingly shrinking seating room has also encouraged me to never fly again.

 

[Sccritterkiller]

Are all of you 'never again' maskers just never going to fly again? Or are you going to be the ones that agree to wear a mask and then throw a fit at 30k feet?

Nope I had some fishnet masks made up for flights...I like it because folks can see when I am smiling. It provides the same level of "protection" as any other non n95 mask and they are made in the USA.

 

[4rcgoat]

Are all of you 'never again' maskers just never going to fly again? Or are you going to be the ones that agree to wear a mask and then throw a fit at 30k feet?

Honestly, i have no reason whatsoever to ever leave big beautiful Wyoming.

 

[zion zig zag]

Nope I had some fishnet masks made up for flights...I like it because folks can see when I am smiling. It provides the same level of "protection" as any other non n95 mask and they are made in the USA.

Funny you say that, I saw someone get told "nope" by the airline for wearing one of those the other day. Bring a backup.

 

[Elkdreamer]

Honestly, i have no reason whatsoever to ever leave big beautiful Wyoming.

I hope to be able to say this someday.

Bucket list item #1. Live in Wyoming.

 

[DanimalW]

We’ve become so soft. I don’t think businesses can handle more shut downs.

 

[sasquatch]

The American model of fun and toys have prevented people from being able to tell any employer to shove it. Employers by nature ensure a lot of jobs pay just enough to keep people from telling employers to shove it because they need some way to support their households.

Mask mandates are for the feeble minded fools that cannot think or act for themselves...

This is very accurate! We as a whole live deeply in dept when we should be able to get way farther ahead in today’s time and pay scales.

I am an hourly worker and we make very good pay, yet people get themselves in situation where they need OT just to get by! I work with people making over 100k a year in a very low cost of living area and when the OT dries up they cutting grass on the side to make ends meet! It’s truly sad, big business is way ahead of us. We living in modern day slavery


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[Sccritterkiller]

Funny you say that, I saw someone get told "nope" by the airline for wearing one of those the other day. Bring a backup.

I always keep one in my carry on..but its a great illustration of how stupid the mask mandate is..they can't even enforce it equally...kind of like lighters and pocket knives depends if Karen the TSA agent is working today...

 

[ODB]

We’ve become so soft. I don’t think businesses can handle more shut downs.

business have been hammered. The problem is that they have also become a target as being “the rich not paying their fair share and needing a squeeze to pay a living wage” so no one is really telling the sympathetic stories like they need to. You hear the odd story of a business closing for a while or struggling, but the breadth of the closings has not been well told.

there was a baker in Seattle we used to go to all the time, Remo Borraccinis on Rainer Ave. they were in business for over 100 years and the shutdowns finally shut them down for good. These stories are also a pandemic on this country. It will stifle the will of people to take a chance to build their American dream by opening a business and will create an ever larger number of people looking for jobs from the remaining businesses that could weather the storm.

Oddly enough at the same time some of those employers (restaurants especially) are having trouble finding people willing to work. There is a reason for this.

a local restaurant (that is quite excellent) wants to open a satellite branch but he has been having trouble finding anyone who wants to work so has delayed for over 6 months. The restaurant is built, sigh is up, people know the name, but he can’t get enough staff. You’d think that wouldn’t be a problem in a state that has seen an enormous influx of people from more liberal states.

something is VERY wrong in this country.

 

[camping1601]

Are all of you 'never again' maskers just never going to fly again? Or are you going to be the ones that agree to wear a mask and then throw a fit at 30k feet?

It's hard to say what I'd do if it lasted for several years, but in the short term I'm not flying if I have to wear one. This will cut my Elk season in half this year, but that time and money saved will be spent driving to Florida this winter.

 

[zion zig zag]

It's hard to say what I'd do if it lasted for several years, but in the short term I'm not flying if I have to wear one. This will cut my Elk season in half this year, but that time and money saved will be spent driving to Florida this winter.

So is that purely a political statment for you, or is wearing a mask for a few hours really that bad for you? Serious question.

 

[sasquatch]

business have been hammered. The problem is that they have also become a target as being “the rich not paying their fair share and needing a squeeze to pay a living wage” so no one is really telling the sympathetic stories like they need to. You hear the odd story of a business closing for a while or struggling, but the breadth of the closings has not been well told.

there was a baker in Seattle we used to go to all the time, Remo Borraccinis on Rainer Ave. they were in business for over 100 years and the shutdowns finally shut them down for good. These stories are also a pandemic on this country. It will stifle the will of people to take a chance to build their American dream by opening a business and will create an ever larger number of people looking for jobs from the remaining businesses that could weather the storm.

Oddly enough at the same time some of those employers (restaurants especially) are having trouble finding people willing to work. There is a reason for this.

a local restaurant (that is quite excellent) wants to open a satellite branch but he has been having trouble finding anyone who wants to work so has delayed for over 6 months. The restaurant is built, sigh is up, people know the name, but he can’t get enough staff. You’d think that wouldn’t be a problem in a state that has seen an enormous influx of people from more liberal states.

something is VERY wrong in this country.

Don’t worry, the lower class that’s hating on the presumed rich are gonna start feeling the pain as prices are increasing! And if the prices aren’t going up it’s because the quantity is going down for the same price, this is how they fool people as nobody pays attention to things!

Just the gas prices alone will hurt the bottom more then their stimulus checks could ever help! So it’s a net negative with the illusion of a positive.

What you get paid does not matter by itself. It’s what do things cost vs what do you get paid!

Times have to get tough again to wake up the morons of the world. Yes some things are unfair in our system, but it’s generally not capitalism’s fault, it’s the government intervening and picking winners and losers, allowing some business to become damn near monopolies. And even with these issues we STILL the best place to be, there is a reason ppl flee to here not from here.


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