Erie County NY Deer Hunters

[Kbhillhunter]

Anyone on here a fellow hunter from WNY? The state is proposing new changes to the hunting regulations this year, one of which is to open up WMU 9c / Erie County to deer hunting. A summary of some of the proposals as well as a link to the plan can be found here.

Please consider sending an email to the DEC in support of these changes to: [email protected]

 

[gjs4]

Regions 8&9 here. I have zero faith in the DEC doing anything right or knowing anything about hunters/hunting. Read the new MP and a number of the propositions or planned enactments are unjustified and where they need improvements there is nothing. Until the culture here is changed and the infractions cited with vigor; it will remain the scourge of whitetail states.


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[Kbhillhunter]

Regions 8&9 here. I have zero faith in the DEC doing anything right or knowing anything about hunters/hunting. Read the new MP and a number of the propositions or planned enactments are unjustified and where they need improvements there is nothing. Until the culture here is changed and the infractions cited with vigor; it will remain the scourge of whitetail states.


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I was happy with the proposal to expand hunting hours. I live in 9c and have 2.5 acres that abuts an 80 acre parcel owned by our town so admittedly that was the change I was most focused on.

 

[gjs4]

I know of a few people that hunt municipal, state or similarly owned property and unless someone has call in ENCON, it is legally posted and there is someone to sign the statement it is posted- no one gets dinged with the exception of those urban properties. There have been some giants from Lockport, Amherst, Clarence, West Seneca, etc that made rounds like they were legally killed deer and were not. Have two buddies that are shed fiends and know where most urban giants are any given minute of the day and both have called encon more than once for urban hunters.

The DEC sucks with interaction and we are robbed of their hunting related services despite 500k big game hunters.

What about the lead ammo phase out? I’m not a big gun hunter but I know when they go nontoxic most hunters in this state are done as selections are next to zero.

Why blaze orange? In a park I have to wear it but the coyote hunter next to me doesn’t? I need it for bowhunting on my own ground?

Not flaming toward you- just really miffed how we get treated hunting in this state… let alone how I get treated as both a private land owner and public land hunter. Hunters are robbed by the state here.


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[Erict]

What about the lead ammo phase out? I’m not a big gun hunter but I know when they go nontoxic most hunters in this state are done as selections are next to zero.

Why blaze orange? In a park I have to wear it but the coyote hunter next to me doesn’t? I need it for bowhunting on my own ground?

Not flaming toward you- just really miffed how we get treated hunting in this state… let alone how I get treated as both a private land owner and public land hunter. Hunters are robbed by the state here.

Huh?

There is no proposal I have heard of to phase out lead ammo, but it is entirely possible in the future. If so, it would have to be phased in over the period of many years as there is too much lead ammo already in hunters hands. Depending on caliber, non-lead ammo choices may be limited but it will certainly increase as additional states look to phasing out lead ammo. Right now, California is the only state I know of with statewide lead ammo restrictions for big game hunting. As for most hunters being "done" if lead ammo is banned - never going to happen. They will either continue to hunt with lead ammo or find non-lead alternatives.

Not sure you read the proposal, but blaze orange/pink would be required ONLY when hunting deer/bear with a firearm or accompanying one doing so. Not required while bowhunting, not required while small game hunting, etc. If a park requires it, that is their rule. It is highly likely that blaze orange/pink requirement was necessary to ALSO add another hour to big game hunting hours (currently sunrise-sunset, proposal is to allow 1/2 hr before, 1/2 hr after).

Not sure what you mean by "hunters are robbed by the state here" but would be interested in you providing details of what is being "robbed".

 

[cobbc03]

I'm a firm believer it doesn't matter what we tell the DEC in NY, they wont listen to a damn thing we say. I'm not sure how something like hunting became politicized, but it has, which means there's money/lobbying involved with what does and does not get passed. There's a reason why we have the worst state to hunt in.

 

[Kbhillhunter]

I'm a firm believer it doesn't matter what we tell the DEC in NY, they wont listen to a damn thing we say. I'm not sure how something like hunting became politicized, but it has, which means there's money/lobbying involved with what does and does not get passed. There's a reason why we have the worst state to hunt in.

I spend about equal amounts of time hunting in NY and PA and by comparison I assumed NYs regs were less stringent (no antler restrictions, no blue laws, etc). What are some of things you find objectionable about the states deer management? Not being argumentative I'm legit wondering.

 

[gjs4]

DEC fans- wow; who wouldn’t thought?

Robbed- easy- there are 450k deer hunters in NY paying for licenses and the state does zero for deer or deer hunting. Their data is bunk (4-6000 surveys that Cornell sends out to random precious license holders) and attains data from deer car collision and farmer/nuisance complaints. We don’t even have a deer biologist in NY. they listen to nothing and only provide dictation.

The lead bullet banter is in the plan and a big talking point for them lately.

Exactly on the blaze BS- why do we need this law? Better yet- typing the first (robbed) comment and this together how many encon guys are out there enforcing game laws? It’s cheaper to cheat than play the game in NY but I rather keep my morals and ethics.

What new or improved hunting opps are provided?

Have you ever hunted out of state? Ever dealt with the DEC? Some are great people but the org is a failure for us hunters

 

[cobbc03]

I spend about equal amounts of time hunting in NY and PA and by comparison I assumed NYs regs were less stringent (no antler restrictions, no blue laws, etc). What are some of things you find objectionable about the states deer management? Not being argumentative I'm legit wondering.

The regs are less stringent, that's part of the issue. They constantly add more doe tags across the board, but the population continues to drop over the vast majority of the state. Antler restrictions would have a negative impact on many of the brown and down hunters for 1-2 years, and then it would have a positive impact. The deer I shoot provides much more meat over the guy that shoots at anything that's brown. I have no problem that they shoot what they want, because it's legal currently. I am able to get 4-6 tags for the area I hunt, other areas are more than that. I am in a declining density area, yet they keep handing out more tags in this area. Soon the state will lose out on nonresident licenses because there will be few deer, and the surrounding states will modernize long before NY does. Oddly though, that does not ring true when it comes to poachers... About the only time I remember them actually listening is about the 30 minutes before and after legal light to shoot. They ignored many on new crossbow regulations though.