Direct thread vs Xeno?

[Reece123]

I bought my first suppressor today, Yay! I ordered a Nomad TIXC Xeno. My dealer only had the direct thread version in stock and the Xeno was $50 more. Question is, would I benefit from a direct thread hub as well? My main uses are swapping between 2 6.5 creeds that are 5/8 thread pretty frequently, and possibly a 223 that's 1/2 thread. I also plan on taking it off when going in the safe for space saving purposes. It will occasionally go on a road trip with me to be used on a different 308 5/8 threaded gun at the family ranch. My main concerns are not having to deal with POI shift on the 2 creeds it will bounce between frequently, and I don't mind it as much on the 308 or 223. Should I stick a xeno adapter on each creed, and have the correct hubs for the 223 and 308? Better off with just getting xeno adapters for all of them? How big of a PITA is it to change the hubs with carbon buildup? Thanks for any help!

 

[mlawrence125]

I have xeno on one rifle and planned/plan on getting a couple more devices to swap it between a few guns. But after moving the device to my hunting rifle for the season and back to a different rifle, I'm pretty well convinced the ONLY way forward is a dedicated can for each gun, or class of gun at minimum.

 

[Reece123]

I have xeno on one rifle and planned/plan on getting a couple more devices to swap it between a few guns. But after moving the device to my hunting rifle for the season and back to a different rifle, I'm pretty well convinced the ONLY way forward is a dedicated can for each gun, or class of gun at minimum.

why is that?

 

[mlawrence125]

Because every rifle deserves a can haha. But seriously I like the Xeno and how repeatable it is for me, and will outfit most of my rifles to use it. My plan is to put xeno mounts on my ARs and range/fun bolt actions for quick swaps while plinking and target shooting. My main hunting rifle will most likely get a dedicated can that doesn't come off the gun (waiting on Airlock to release their 30cal), or possibly the reaper or nomad ti xc.

 

[JVS]

I prefer direct thread myself

 

[Joshf303*]

Direct thread...

 

[spdrman]

Direct thread …. I’d buy a 1/2 to 5/8 adapter for the 223 and leave it on there, then you never have to worry about what hub is on the suppressor.

 

[Gtscotty]

I run Xeno on pretty much everything now from ARs to range and hunting rifles. Return to zero is excellent and I much prefer that system to DT for a can that's going to move around a good bit.

 

[wind gypsy]

Benefit of xeno: I assume fewer turns to get a can fully screwed on? Taper protects threads from carbon. Maybe some blast diversion for first baffle if you're shooting rapid with an auto?
Negatives of xeno: Extra cost, Extra weight, extra length, and one more adapter to stack tolerances

I dont understand why a guy would want to spend the money to get more length and weight personally. Maybe protecting threads from carbon is a benefit if swapping can around a bunch? I'd pay more to do direct thread if that was required for some dumb reason.

 

[Reece123]

Benefit of xeno: I assume fewer turns to get a can fully screwed on? Maybe some blast diversion for first baffle if you're shooting rapid with an auto?
Negatives of xeno: Extra cost, Extra weight, extra length, and one more adapter to stack tolerances

I dont understand why a guy would want to spend the money to get more length and weight personally. I'd pay more to do direct thread if that was required for some dumb reason.

My main concern is getting the same POI. Have you had any issues with that after removing/reinstalling a direct thread?

 

[wind gypsy]

My main concern is getting the same POI. Have you had any issues with that after removing/reinstalling a direct thread?

I dont understand why/how adding an additional adapter/tolerance stack would make POI/return to zero better? I have seen no issue returning to zero with DT but I also dont like swapping cans around much.

 

[Gtscotty]

Benefit of xeno: I assume fewer turns to get a can fully screwed on? Taper protects threads from carbon. Maybe some blast diversion for first baffle if you're shooting rapid with an auto?
Negatives of xeno: Extra cost, Extra weight, extra length, and one more adapter to stack tolerances

I dont understand why a guy would want to spend the money to get more length and weight personally. Maybe protecting threads from carbon is a benefit if swapping can around a bunch? I'd pay more to do direct thread if that was required for some dumb reason.

I like moving my cans between rifles, I prefer to put mount/unmount thread wear on larger nitrided and replaceable mounts, and I prefer tapers to keep things aligned and tight until I want them to come off. To be fair I still run some cans that don't have a Xeno option DT and am ok with that, just not what I prefer. The only times I've had a problem with DT cans working loose while hiking around was on rifles with poor shoulders (Tikka CTR was the worst).

 

[wind gypsy]

I like moving my cans between rifles, I prefer to put mount/unmount thread wear on larger nitrided and replaceable mounts, and I prefer tapers to keep things aligned and tight until I want them to come off. To be fair I still run some cans that don't have a Xeno option DT and am ok with that, just not what I prefer. The only times I've had a problem with DT cans working loose while hiking around was on rifles with poor shoulders (Tikka CTR was the worst).

If a guy is really spinning them on/off a bunch i guess i can understand. Not sure how much you'd need to do to actually impact the muzzle threads though? Most of my rifles have less shoulder than CTR and cans dont come loose if twisted on tight.

 

[Reece123]

If a guy is really spinning them on/off a bunch i guess i can understand. Not sure how much you'd need to do to actually impact the muzzle threads though? Most of my rifles have less shoulder than CTR and cans dont come loose if twisted on tight.

This one will be split between 2-3 different guns and will be spun on/off every time it comes out of the safe

 

[Gtscotty]

If a guy is really spinning them on/off a bunch i guess i can understand. Not sure how much you'd need to do to actually impact the muzzle threads though? Most of my rifles have less shoulder than CTR and cans dont come loose if twisted on tight.

I did run DT for hunting a long time and for me, having a nice wide shoulder for the can to torque against was key to keeping it tight. My CTR was one of the very first ones out and it had a pretty pathetic shoulder setup, without a lot of good contact, it liked to shoot loose. It also lacked adequate undercut for the threads, it was a fantastic shooter though, shot one of my two honest quarter inch groups with it, hopefully they've improved the threads since then.

I dont understand why/how adding an additional adapter/tolerance stack would make POI/return to zero better? I have seen no issue returning to zero with DT but I also dont like swapping cans around much.

All threads have tolerance, but tapers are good for repeatedly centering, that's why they are used commonly in CNC tooling. I torque my muzzle device and can adapter, once they are verified good, they don't move and the only interface that does is the taper interface.