Debate Sunday, which is best with 300wm

[SouthernCharm]

Winter blues and thinking of testing the waters building a load for the 300wm. Got some 195 Bergers. The question, when it comes time to hunt elk and bear out to 600 yards, which bullet should I choose, my very accurate 200 Nos AB or the Berger 195 if I get an accurate load? What you say?TIA.

 

[6mm Remington]

EASY: Your "very accurate" 200 gr Nosler Accubond. No need to look any further.

 

[HuntHarder]

Of those 2, I prefer the bergers

 

[77TMK]

Counterpoint: 225 ELDM or 195 TMK

Bergers are great target bullets but need a lot of velocity to do anything. Nosler can pound sand with how much they ask for on their bullets, but if you already have ‘em the Accubond is a far better killing bullet than literally anything Berger makes.

 

[waspocrew]

I’d go bergers. I’ve killed plenty of animals with them and didn’t need any more velocity than other projectiles to kill.

 

[SouthernCharm]

So far 50/50, like it. Tells me that either one is capable and depends. Keep it coming, going to research the TMK. Have a box of hammers coming, however they are gold and I like to shoot. Have to check my twist on the 225 eldm.

 

[Rjk300]

Does Berger make a 30 cal 195 gr bullet?


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[SouthernCharm]

Does Berger make a 30 cal 195 gr bullet?


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My mistake, 190. Just checked the box, thought it was 195.

 

[Kurts86]

30 cal ballistics don’t really get interesting until you start using 212-225 gr high BC bullets. I’d be looking at 200 & 212 gr ELD-X and 225 gr ELD-M based on what your twist rate and magazine length will allow.

 

[Rjk300]

The 190 vldh does good on elk and whitetail with good chest shots never seen one hit heavy bone or muscle so not sure how it would perform there.


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[JMundy84]

My win mag loves 200.20x Berger hybrids I haven't shot an animal with one yet but I imagine they'll do basically the same thing as a berger 215 which are killing machines.

 

[Mike D Texas]

215 Berger Hybrid
208 Berger Long Range Hybrid
208 ELDM


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[77TMK]

The 190 vldh does good on elk and whitetail with good chest shots never seen one hit heavy bone or muscle so not sure how it would perform there.


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Something in the back of my head when reading any anecdote like this is the consideration of information missing from the account, specifically impact velocity. Just about every centerfire rifle bullet impacting an animal’s chest cavity above 2200 FPS is going to yield a kill pretty quickly.

For most any hunter taking animals in North America inside 200 yards, cheap and simple soft points work, and no need for the extremely high prices of some makers (looking at Nosler). If there’s nuance to be had then it should be how they perform at lower velocity, like 1800 FPS, and how well they retain FPS with higher BCs.

 

[InkedElkSlayer]

300 Win Mag?… 215gr Berger Hybrid.

It’s like peanut butter and jelly.

 

[gbflyer]

212 Eldx in the superior 30-338 win mag

 

[Miflatlander91]

300 Win Mag?… 215gr Berger Hybrid.

It’s like peanut butter and jelly.

This man speaks the truth


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[SouthernCharm]

Well, I’ll have to look at those as well especially if we have to be lead free.

 

[HandgunHTR]

I am going to go against the grain here a bit and say that if you are staying within 600 yards, there is no reason to go any heavier than 180 grains.

For me, I would be using the Hornady 178 grain ELDX or the 180 grain SST. Both are cheap, readily available and in my experience, pretty easy to find a good load for. Both will kill your intended game animal very effectively. Plus you get the added benefit of a bit less recoil. Easy-peasy.
In fact, I just switched my 300WM load from the 200 grain Partitions to the 180 grain SSTs.

Now, if you plan on stretching the legs of that WM a bit more then I would look at the heavier bullets for the additional BC.

 

[SouthernCharm]

I am going to go against the grain here a bit and say that if you are staying within 600 yards, there is no reason to go any heavier than 180 grains.

For me, I would be using the Hornady 178 grain ELDX or the 180 grain SST. Both are cheap, readily available and in my experience, pretty easy to find a good load for. Both will kill your intended game animal very effectively. Plus you get the added benefit of a bit less recoil. Easy-peasy.
In fact, I just switched my 300WM load from the 200 grain Partitions to the 180 grain SSTs.

Now, if you plan on stretching the legs of that WM a bit more then I would look at the heavier bullets for the additional BC.

Hunting in Oregon, you just don’t know. Plan on 300, however you may be less than 100 yards or out to 500 due to clearcut and layout of the land. Preference is to get closer. I was once told, when you look at copper bullets, go one weight class compared to what u normally use with cup and pour. Just like tinkering with reloading and having various rounds that are very accurate in my gun, then easy to switch on the fly. Thanks for your input.

 

[roadrunner]

Something in the back of my head when reading any anecdote like this is the consideration of information missing from the account, specifically impact velocity. Just about every centerfire rifle bullet impacting an animal’s chest cavity above 2200 FPS is going to yield a kill pretty quickly.

For most any hunter taking animals in North America inside 200 yards, cheap and simple soft points work, and no need for the extremely high prices of some makers (looking at Nosler). If there’s nuance to be had then it should be how they perform at lower velocity, like 1800 FPS, and how well they retain FPS with higher BCs.

If you can't afford Nosler, just admit it and move on.

You being pissed at Nosler won't change anything. They don't care...