Day Six Verse

[Alpineelk]

For me expandable are more about being more forgiving to a less than perfect shot execution and less than perfect shot placement.

I get excited, I practice all year and shoot very well but me as the human element is the weakest link in the system.

Mechanical or expandable helps not make my poor shots worse.

These really remind me of an ATAC which ARE the best shooting fixed head I have found to date and I’ve pretty much shot everything.

Explain a little more. Do u mean forgiving as in larger cut and better flight overall.

These heads don't totally make sense to me quite like I would like to know how big they are in flight. For that size of cut they are slightly larger than a nice 3 blade and appear to be slightly smaller in flight. So I guess I'm not totally seeing them as a huge upgrade. Altho they do look interesting and I think they definitely are durable which is a huge plus

 

[doverpack12]

Explain a little more. Do u mean forgiving as in larger cut and better flight overall.

These heads don't totally make sense to me quite like I would like to know how big they are in flight. For that size of cut they are slightly larger than a nice 3 blade and appear to be slightly smaller in flight. So I guess I'm not totally seeing them as a huge upgrade. Altho they do look interesting and I think they definitely are durable which is a huge plus

Yeah that is essentially it. Little more cut although I agree the verse is not as much difference as other mechanicals can be. I do see a difference in flight. If I make a bad shot, torque, wind pushes me or I’m fighting wind, etc. mechanicals do not fly as drastically off line from intended aim point. A fixed blade with a bad shot and I can just about miss the big hex matrix target.

Seeing Billy Goats pictures it draws a lot of similarities to ATAC which have out shot any other head for me. The ATAC main blade tip could bend though.

 

[fulldraw1972]

I am failing to see the benefit in these heads.
They are an 1 1/4” in flight and an 1 3:8” cut.
You get zero benefits of a mechanical and there are plenty of fixed heads that will out penetrate this head.

 

[dkime]

I am failing to see the benefit in these heads.
They are an 1 1/4” in flight and an 1 3:8” cut.
You get zero benefits of a mechanical and there are plenty of fixed heads that will out penetrate this head.

These heads are .720" (roughly 3/4") x 5/8" in flight. I havent had time to get online and address and information yet. But if you guys have any questions about these heads you can reach out to us through the website as I rarely have time these days to get on RS. Im supposed to hop on a podcast sometime with @realunlucky to talk about the heads but unfortunately I am still at work on a sunday so once I get can get a little breathing room I will get with him.

 

[dkime]

@Jaden Bales got these heads and put them to the test before we launched. I am tagging him because he has more free time than me and is probably taking a sunday nap right now and needs something to do lol

 

[Jaden Bales]

@Jaden Bales got these heads and put them to the test before we launched. I am tagging him because he has more free time than me and is probably taking a sunday nap right now and needs something to do lol

Sunday naps sound nice but not normally in my schedule either.

I will say, these heads very likely saved my bacon with a marginal shot. I had trouble with black bucks in Argentina ducking my arrow at medium distances so took a long bomb on a feeding black buck (75 yards) and it was the right tool for the job.

One photo is the entrance. Quartered away, came out like back of lung on the other side. Tipped over in 60 yards or so.

 

[Stache Attack]

Waiting for day six to get sued by evolution. Same design different materials. I do like material selection and a little smaller diameter. I would like to hope people support the original. Day six has done great things I hope they can keep new great product coming.

 

[Billy Goat]

Waiting for day six to get sued by evolution. Same design different materials. I do like material selection and a little smaller diameter. I would like to hope people support the original. Day six has done great things I hope they can keep new great product coming.

Did Evolution do something that Grave Digger didn't?


They look alike, but every broadhead looks alike. I'm not aware of too many things being proprietary except blade retention.

 

[Stache Attack]

Did Evolution do something that Grave Digger didn't?


They look alike, but every broadhead looks alike. I'm not aware of too many things being proprietary except blade retention.

Same designer, believe he gave full permission maybe he did to day six too. Just don’t say “I built this from the ground up”

 

[CMF]

Waiting for day six to get sued by evolution. Same design different materials. I do like material selection and a little smaller diameter. I would like to hope people support the original. Day six has done great things I hope they can keep new great product coming.

I'm no patent expert, but they are different enough that I probably would not try an evolution, but I might try the verse for some of my hunting. Why would I support an "original" if there is something that better fits what I want.

Did Evolution do something that Grave Digger didn't?

Haven't shot either, but looking at them, I would think the evolution is quieter than the vented grave digger...

 

[Stache Attack]

@CMF forsure up to you on that one, I like what the evolution guys are doing rather than a meat beater employee. Both good products but the looks. Hyde is the perfect mix for a guy not wanting to commit to pure expandable.

To me it’s the bully marketing hype I don’t care for. Guys ares suckers for it

 

[Jaden Bales]

I am failing to see the benefit in these heads.
They are an 1 1/4” in flight and an 1 3:8” cut.
You get zero benefits of a mechanical and there are plenty of fixed heads that will out penetrate this head.

My experience was not that. Much less wind affected than my fixed blades - especially comparable wide ones (my Evo-Xs are tough to get to hit consisently past 40). I'm also not sure you got those specs right. The fixed are 5/8" wide and 1 3/8" with the mechanical.

Certainly fixed will out-penetrate this head, but that's not the use case a mechanical is designed to do. This is designed to fly well and still get good penetration, while a fixed is designed to do that one penetration job well.

A guy like me with a short draw and a slower medium-heavy arrow always takes a penetration risk shooting an elk with a mechanical, especially because I've seen even the highest penetrating broadheads not get into a shoulder on both moose and bull elk.

So up until this point, I haven't even wanted to try a mechanical on a bull it until I got my hands on this broadhead. Everyone's preference and mileage may vary, but I'm really excited about this one compared to the other mechanicals I've tried.

 

[Jaden Bales]

@CMF forsure up to you on that one, I like what the evolution guys are doing rather than a meat beater employee. Both good products but the looks. Hyde is the perfect mix for a guy not wanting to commit to pure expandable.

To me it’s the bully marketing hype I don’t care for. Guys ares suckers for it

Much respect to the meat beater comment, though I do think he's just got the standard gear contract with FL.

I like the looks of the Hyde, too. But what really got me on these was Magnacut blade steel on the Verse. Can't speak to the Hyde durability, but I had 4 Verse broadheads hit the dirt and one go through an animal without any bending blades or getting noticeably dull (though I always freshen up a blade after it's hit the ground).

Have you had any bent blades or issues with chipping on the Hydes after you shoot an animal or shoot into dirt? Honest question, because I don't know on those, but it's been a problem with any other mechanicals I've shot.

 

[Stache Attack]

Have you had any bent blades or issues with chipping on the Hydes after you shoot an animal or shoot into dirt? Honest question

I have broken a blade I think that is one tough thing with the flatter blade angle, I assume rib rock when passed through. One bummer is aluminum ferrules on the 100 grain instead of 416 on the 125 and 150s. I haven’t broken the fixed part but have dented an edge

 

[fulldraw1972]

My experience was not that. Much less wind affected than my fixed blades - especially comparable wide ones (my Evo-Xs are tough to get to hit consisently past 40). I'm also not sure you got those specs right. The fixed are 5/8" wide and 1 3/8" with the mechanical.

Certainly fixed will out-penetrate this head, but that's not the use case a mechanical is designed to do. This is designed to fly well and still get good penetration, while a fixed is designed to do that one penetration job well.

A guy like me with a short draw and a slower medium-heavy arrow always takes a penetration risk shooting an elk with a mechanical, especially because I've seen even the highest penetrating broadheads not get into a shoulder on both moose and bull elk.

So up until this point, I haven't even wanted to try a mechanical on a bull it until I got my hands on this broadhead. Everyone's preference and mileage may vary, but I'm really excited about this one compared to the other mechanicals I've tried.

Yes I was given the specs and it sounds like I should have researched it myself instead of taking their info and running with it.
Me personally I think I would rather use a Beast broad head on an elk if I were to shoot a mechanical.

 

[king402]

Looks like a great head. Trying to decide if the cost is worth twice that of SEVR or G5 Deadmeat.

 

[alexnelon]

Waiting for day six to get sued by evolution. Same design different materials. I do like material selection and a little smaller diameter. I would like to hope people support the original. Day six has done great things I hope they can keep new great product coming.

You'll be waiting forever.

The mechanical design of the Verse is not even remotely similar to the Gravedigger/Hyde. The patented features of the Gravedigger anchor around using screws instead of O-rings to retain the blades and the design that allows the interchangeable use of fixed bleeders or rotating blades in the same ferrule. The Verse uses neither of those features.

 

[Jaden Bales]

I have broken a blade I think that is one tough thing with the flatter blade angle, I assume rib rock when passed through. One bummer is aluminum ferrules on the 100 grain instead of 416 on the 125 and 150s. I haven’t broken the fixed part but have dented an edge

Roger that. Good to know! Yeah, stupid chemistry or physics or whatever that drives the necessary weights and materials choices is a bummer. I know the Verse had to do the ferrule with titanium instead of the steel on the 100s, too. But by the luck of it, I've shot 125s for the last 10 years, though.

 

[T-Rex]

I think I'll give them a shot this year if Wyoming is nice to me on Thursday! Fingers crossed...

 

[Jaden Bales]

Looks like a great head. Trying to decide if the cost is worth twice that of SEVR or G5 Deadmeat.

I know folks really like the SEVR, but I can't really speak to those. That said, I have had some bad experiences with the Deadmeats at longer distances not getting good penetration. Had to finish off a buck mule deer in his bed after a one-lunger. Also, never could never shoot them again without swapping blades and usually the little blue collar thing.

So I'd say it depends on how many shots you get out of a Deadmeat ferrule plus the cost of swapping blades compared to how many go-rounds you get out of the Verse without having to change blades. I don't have enough time shooting critters with them to know what that top-end longevity will be, but currently it's 4 shots in the dirt and one through an animal and none have needed to be swapped.