Counting brows...

[Panhandler80]

Seems pretty straightforward, but I've got a question.

I've been looking at a bunch of harvest pics and pics of moose on the hoof, and occasionally I'll come across what is essentially a split brow time. For example, please see below. I count 4 points all emerging from the first branch leaving the main beam. I'd call that 4 points. Just wanted to confirm that this is in fact 4 and not two.

 

[Yellowknife]

By the Alaska definition, a brow tine is any "tine emerging from the first branch or brow palm on the main beam".

https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/...=In some areas of the,EITHER side to be legal.

All those points are emerging from the "first branch" and I would count that moose as a 4x4. What you as basically looking at is a moose that is just shy of having fully formed front palms. It makes no difference as far as point count.

 

[Panhandler80]

By the Alaska definition, a brow tine is any "tine emerging from the first branch or brow palm on the main beam".

https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/applications/web/nocache/regulations/wildliferegulations/pdfs/mooseid.pdf5D263D83F208137E84FD109540D30D0A/mooseid.pdf#targetText=In some areas of the,EITHER side to be legal.

All those points are emerging from the "first branch" and I would count that moose as a 4x4. What you as basically looking at is a moose that is just shy of having fully formed front palms. It makes no difference as far as point count.

Which is what i thought, and the definition I referenced in initial post. Glad to see that my interpretation was accurate. Thanks.

 

[LK2HNT]

Yup, 4 tines each side, good question though, it can get confusing......especially when you want to pull that trigger!

 

[Ray]

It is important to review what is a point, as well. The link posted by yellowknife explains it all.

 

[Akwoodchuck]

4x4, for shore....that's a neat looking rack...

 

[Panhandler80]

So three or five on this guy's left side?

 

[jhm2023]

4x4 on the first bull and 5x4 on the second.

From ADFG hunting regs/ definitions

brow tine - is a tine emerging from
the first branch or brow palm on the
main beam of a moose antler; the brow
palm is separated from the main palm
by a wide bay; a tine originating in
or after this bay is not a brow tine an
antler point or tine originating within
2 inches from the base, and less than 3
inches in length, will not be counted as a
brow tine; see pages 30-31.

A point or tine is an antler projection at least​

one inch long, and longer than it is wide, with​

the width measured one inch or more from the​

tip; an antler point or tine originating within 2​

inches from the base, and less than 3 inches in​

length will not be counted as a brow tine or point.

 

[Panhandler80]

I've read the definitions and they make sense. I guess what I'm getting at is that there could be some subjectivity to it. For example, how close to main beam can this gap be before it's considered the bay?

FWIW, I darn sure would have called this 5 on his left.

What if it was as deep as red line drawn?

 

[Yellowknife]

It's usually not that complicated in person. If it has a brow palm, it's usually facing forward, and it's relatively clear where the bay is. I think every trooper would call that a 4x5.

What can sometimes gets people in trouble are trying to count the "mid-bay" tines if they are trying to cheat a little.

Moose like that though is clearly over 50", so no worries!

 

[Panhandler80]

It's usually not that complicated in person. If it has a brow palm, it's usually facing forward, and it's relatively clear where the bay is. I think every trooper would call that a 4x5.

What can sometimes gets people in trouble are trying to count the "mid-bay" tines if they are trying to cheat a little.

Moose like that though is clearly over 50", so no worries!

Oh yeah... way over 50". And I hear ya on 99.9% of the time what is what is readily apparent. Also, gotcha on the "mid-bay" deal, as well.

It just seems like there COULD be a case where some subjective interpretation might have to come into play. That would certainly be unfortunate for a hunter if the chips fell the wrong way on a bull less than 50". That's all.

 

[PMcGee]

What would this be considered?


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[Akwoodchuck]

What would this be considered?

Any bull, hopefully...

 

[Panhandler80]

What would this be considered?


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An old warrior and hell of take!

 

[Bambistew]

What would this be considered?


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bull I would pass on in a 4brow unit Looks like it only has 3 on each side. Too close to call on width for me to be comfortable shooting.

 

[Catchfish]

I shot this bull the other day, we have a 3 browtine or 50” rule where we hunt. I only saw the left side and believed him to have 3 browtines. Ak F&G tech called it a 2x2 I was lucky it was over 50”. Interesting point to me was the same vein that ran to the obvious 2 bt ran to the questionable 3rd.

 

[Panhandler80]

I shot this bull the other day, we have a 3 browtine or 50” rule where we hunt. I only saw the left side and believed him to have 3 browtines. Ak F&G tech called it a 2x2 I was lucky it was over 50”. Interesting point to me was the same vein that ran to the obvious 2 bt ran to the questionable 3rd.

Have any other pictures at different angles?

Nice bull, BTW. How much over 50 was he?

 

[Catchfish]

I cleaned the skull last night here is a different angle, he measured 52”

 

[Panhandler80]

I cleaned the skull last night here is a different angle, he measured 52”

Cool looking bull.

Yeah, id call that 2x2 as well. Glad it all worked out!

 

[SLDMTN]

Neat formation on both of these bulls.