Core4Element Down Tek vs. KUIU Super Down ?

[slim9300]

If using it as a pillow I would prefer something spindrift size if not a tad bigger. Just me though!

Mike

I'm taking my UL Air Pillow no matter what. It weighs 2 ounces and with a down jacket on top of it, it's pretty tough to beat.

I couldn't imagine hunting in a puffy coat that's twice as thick (or more) as my SuperDown jacket, unless it's sub-zero temps I guess. I expect they will make another model using 50% less down for next season.

 

[ohhiitznik]

I'm taking my UL Air Pillow no matter what. It weighs 2 ounces and with a down jacket on top of it, it's pretty tough to beat.

I couldn't imagine hunting in a puffy coat that's twice as thick (or more) as my SuperDown jacket, unless it's sub-zero temps I guess. I expect they will make another model using 50% less down for next season.

But its not in HIGHLANDER CONLAN! IT WONT MATCH MY PACK!

 

[ohhiitznik]

I wish Kuiu would offer their gear in Multicam. then I could be the best looking guy on the mountain.

 

[slim9300]

But its not in HIGHLANDER CONLAN! IT WONT MATCH MY PACK!

That's some 'sensitive' talk right there.

 

[ohhiitznik]

That's some 'sensitive' talk right there.

Its march, might as well stir the pot a little until the gear list threads and the "which OTC GMU in colorado should I hunt and where is the best place in the unit?" threads start coming up more often.

 

[bigfish b.c]

If using it as a pillow I would prefer something spindrift size if not a tad bigger. Just me though!

Mike

that is true ,but thats why i got the pants toomy superdown pants & jacket are about the same size as my old spindrift

 

[stalker123]

Something is off with Core 4's specs or their competence of how to make gear? 11 ounces of Down? Seriously? That is more than what is in my Sleeping Bag stuffed into this jacket???? So the shell and zippers are only 3 ounces? Not possible.

They are using 650 Down as claimed in their Video. Not very impressive choice of fill rate? You are better off with Primaloft One at 650 Fill. Also, The shower and soak video do not show me anything other than their DWR is worthless.

Some other questions I have?

What is the country of Origin of the Down?
Who makes the shell fabric?
What is the Shell Fabric Denier?
Does the Shell Fabric Stretch?


$220 vs $250

Not close to KUIU's Jacket
850+ Polish Down
Toray's Quix Down
Toray Stunner Stretch 15dx20d Micro Down Proof Fabric
10.5 ounces total
Toray Kudos DWR

It is really unfair to KUIU to compare the two. A KIA versus a BMW.

 

[slim9300]

Its march, might as well stir the pot a little until the gear list threads and the "which OTC GMU in colorado should I hunt and where is the best place in the unit?" threads start coming up more often.

Lol

 

[slim9300]

Something is off with Core 4's specs or their competence of how to make gear? 11 ounces of Down? Seriously? That is more than what is in my Sleeping Bag stuffed into this jacket???? So the shell and zippers are only 3 ounces? Not possible.

They are using 650 Down as claimed in their Video. Not very impressive choice of fill rate? You are better off with Primaloft One at 650 Fill. Also, The shower and soak video do not show me anything other than their DWR is worthless.

Some other questions I have?

What is the country of Origin of the Down?
Who makes the shell fabric?
What is the Shell Fabric Denier?
Does the Shell Fabric Stretch?


$220 vs $250

Not close to KUIU's Jacket
850+ Polish Down
Toray's Quix Down
Toray Stunner Stretch 15dx20d Micro Down Proof Fabric
10.5 ounces total
Toray Kudos DWR

It is really unfair to KUIU to compare the two. A KIA versus a BMW.

Hard to disagree.

 

[nosuperman]

Hard to disagree.

I would like to clarify all the specs on the Core4Element Elevation jacket with Downtek Down. Hopefully this will help with all the questions in this thread.
The Downtek that was tested in the video with the down in the Bottle shaken with water is a 650 fill Downtek Canadian down. That is what was tested not what is going into the production jacket.

The Jacket that was tested in the video was a first run sample. We wanted to see how the down reacted in an actual garment and not just loose in a bottle.

We were interested in the weight retention specifically.

Note: The jacket did not have zipper pulls on it.
Dry weight - 13.4 ounces
30 seconds of direct shot in shower - 14.4 ounces
30 seconds completely submersed in water - 20.8 ounces

What the production jacket specs are:
Fabric made by Action Sports Fabric - ASF http://asfgroup.com/
exterior fabric -Down proof 20dX20d Microfiber Ripstop 100% polyester
ASF eclipse DWR exceeds 80/20 in industry standards testing. This means after 80% effectiveness after 20 launderings.
Downtek http://down-tek.com/home/ Canadian Down 700 fill
7.25 ounces of down
I am not going to guess on total jacket weight until we have final production and can weigh it myself.

I would encourage all of you to compare and do background research on all this. We are by no means using inferior fabrics. Question with boldness and research what you are told.

We are by no means a "Kia".

FYI we are also doing a lightweight jacket Called the Summit jacket. It is insulated with PrimaLoft One insulation and is body mapped for optimum performance.

Jon Gunderson
Core4Element