Condensation in heated shelters that don't use liner....?

[FLH]

I use a liner in my Kifaru tipi. Have near zero issues with condensation.

Looking to downsize. Probably to SO because Kifaru isn't sure when they'll start making the Tut again. Toss up between LBO/Vest and Cimarron right now. Only the Cim has liner. How much condensation do the liner-less guys get in the morning after a night of zero degrees outside and 60 degrees inside with stove going?

Thanks to all.

 

[Clarence]

Had the half liner in my SO 8 man this year. Quite a bit of condensation on the bottom foot. Just stayed away from the wall a foot or so and no issues. Had single degree temps several nights with 3 guys in the shelter for 6 nights. We weren't camping on snow though, that came after we pitched. Still trying to decide if the liner is worth carrying and fussing with. Nice to have dry walls, but I slept on the unlined side with a down bag all week. Leaning toward ditching the liner. My .02

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[FLH]

Hey Clarence;

I leave bottom of one door unzipped about 6-10" and top of opposing door open the same if wind permits. Maybe that's why condensation not been an issue.

 

[bridgermgmt]

My .02

i ditched the liner and nest after playing with pitching options. I’ve found a happy area where I just increase ventilation by lifting it higher from ground or by leaving door/s open as needed. Worst condensation I had was when I was forced to pitch over a few bushes and it was on off raining. I had the tipi raised About 2 inches on all but 1 side (wind side) and no doors open. Second time doing it that way I just opened 1 of the doors and pitchEd it reversed partially facing wind..... man what a difference. So now that’s my go to solution. It’s nice cause you still get all the ventilation with none of the draft issues.

 

[Clarence]

Hey Clarence;

I leave bottom of one door unzipped about 6-10" and top of opposing door open the same if wind permits. Maybe that's why condensation not been an issue.

I left the bottom and the top open, and still had some. We'll keep experimenting through the winter. Thanks

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[JG358]

8 man with no liner, 2 people and a stove this year. 5 or so degrees the first night set up on snow stove blasting and had about a 36" frost line when we got up the next morning. Previous years with 3 people snoring in there and the frost line will usually be clear to the peak of the tipi if I stoke the fire right before bed. I've always threatened to get a liner but never end up doing it because I dont want to pack it in. I just scoot out away from the edge of the tipi and just deal with it.

 

[FLH]

Hey JG358;

Sleeping away from the wall is easier in a bigger tipi. I do it in my 6 man. But I'm looking for a solo shelter Cimarron or LBO/V or LBOx2 and not sure if I'll be on top of the stove sleeping away from the wall to avoid a wet bag.

One downside to my Kif liner is it makes you sit farther in towards tipi center to keep your head from contact with liner. A buffalo hide tipi hauled on a horse drawn travois, with the woman and kids in tow to pitch it (and cook the venison stew, make the moccasins, plant the squash and melons) would be nice but I'm about 250 years too late.

 

[Kevin Dill]

Maybe the answer is found in a couple questions: Would serious condensation ever be more than an annoyance? Would the weight of the liners be a deal-breaker to pack in?

Most of the time condensation is just annoying, but I've seen it become so severe in a storm that it could screw up a trip badly. There's not much you can do to prevent it when camped on wet ground... in clouds....with 100% humidity and constant stormy conditions. No amount of ventilation will prevent it, and you'd better have plenty of wood available to burn. Incidentally, if you decide to burn a stove through the night you'll need a good and constant supply of dry wood, and you'll get a lot less sleep.

I can't speak for the Cimarron, but Seek Outside does a very good job with their liners on the shelters I've seen. Cord locks and taut liners are very nice. Almost no sagging in my experience. I always go with liners but that's me and I'm likely not changing.

 

[JG358]

In my experience, the smaller the single wall shelter, the worse the condensation unless your venting by pitching off the ground a bit or leaving zippers/door open a bit. Kinda defeats the purpose of why I fire up my stove to leave stuff open though. It practically rained in my mega tarp with the annex closed and a light pitch with 2 people. Fire up the stove and its easy to dry out the shelter.

 

[sneaky]

Hey JG358;

Sleeping away from the wall is easier in a bigger tipi. I do it in my 6 man. But I'm looking for a solo shelter Cimarron or LBO/V or LBOx2 and not sure if I'll be on top of the stove sleeping away from the wall to avoid a wet bag.

One downside to my Kif liner is it makes you sit farther in towards tipi center to keep your head from contact with liner. A buffalo hide tipi hauled on a horse drawn travois, with the woman and kids in tow to pitch it (and cook the venison stew, make the moccasins, plant the squash and melons) would be nice but I'm about 250 years too late.

You can self identify as whatever you want these days. Get that woman ready!

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[Clarence]

You can self identify as whatever you want these days. Get that woman ready!

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Getting the squaw ready would be the real challenge

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