Concerns with Lone Peak Fuzion action

[Badseed]

I am gathering parts for new rife build and started reaching out to gunsmiths about build times and costs. One of the smiths I talked with had a pretty negative stance about lone peak actions. So much so, that he doesn't use them on any builds and strongly recommends that people do not use them for custom builds. He said that there are consistent issues with the ignition system which reduces potential accuracy. According to him those issues can be a combination of or any mix of problems with weak firing pins, short firing pins, cocking pin dragging on the bolt, etc. I already have a custom action built on a lone peak fuzion and haven't noticed any issues but, when a respected gunsmith tells me those things, I start to wonder if there are better options out there. Has anyone experinced issues with the lone peak fuzion action?

 

[20drone19]

I just spoke with Ryan Pierce and he also spoke bad of them which sucks cause.i just spent 3300 dollars on 2 of there actions which i already have. He did say for 300 each action he.cpuld make them better. Basically resisting the fire control group for proper ignigition and work on the cock and close. Well here is a comment from Him
Firing pins issues, cocking pieces binding, inadequate firing pin travel. Weak springs. And their actions are one of the most crooked actions on the custom market. I refuse to build on em anymore

 

[Quandary]

I have a Fuzion titanium and a steel Razor. I haven't had issues with either. Also, for what it is worth, based on a survey by the Precision Rifle Blog the Fuzion is the second most used action by the PRS pros, albeit far behind the Impact Precision 737R.

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[deadwolf]

I have two LP Fuzion Ti actions and they have run very well for lightweight hunting builds.


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[bbrown]

I have 2 Fuzions as well a Razor and have put together another half dozen or so on LP actions without any issues. Defiance actions have had the most issues from my experience from the 7-8 I’ve used so far

 

[JohnJohnson]

Maybe they've had a massive drop-off in QC that literally no one is talking about outside of 1-2 gunsmiths saying it privately. The guys over on Sniper's Hide are neurotic as hell and if this was a known issue there would be a 15 page thread of people yelling at each other over there. If "a gunsmith said" is a source, I'll say that LP Fuzions are very well regarded by Mike R (from TacOps rifles) if that's worth anything.

Also those issues seem like huge problems for the PRS guys using LP Fuzions and prefit barrels. If they made crooked actions that would be a problem for prefit barrels, wouldn't it? And if their ignition was garbage and caused issues with precision, that might be an issue in the PRS as well. I'm not saying the PRS is the ultimate tester of actions but I do think it tests obvious glaring ignition issues and actions being unfit for prefit barrels given 35% of the top 200 shooters are now using prefit barrels according to PRB surveys.

 

[ruger35]

I love my Fuzions, the only actions I’ll probably never consider selling that I own.

 

[wind gypsy]

That's a bummer to hear. I've only had one but I really like it. That is the direction I would likely go if getting another m700 pattern custom. The only place i'd heard of some of these issues is with Greg from Primal Rights posting about how Stratton custom rifles had to clean up some things on the ignition of one of his actions. The Stratton fella seems to find issues worth cleaning up with most custom actions though. Kind of kills the "I spent $1500 for a CUSTOM action so it doesn't have the issues factory actions do" way of thinking.

 

[JohnJohnson]

That's a bummer to hear. I've only had one but I really like it. That is the direction I would likely go if getting another m700 pattern custom. The only place i'd heard of some of these issues is with Greg from Primal Rights posting about how Stratton custom rifles had to clean up some things on the ignition of one of his actions. The Stratton fella seems to find issues worth cleaning up with most custom actions though. Kind of kills the "I spent $1500 for a CUSTOM action so it doesn't have the issues factory actions do" way of thinking.

Second poster in this thread posted a thread on SH about this and as far as I can tell it's a complete non-issue. I'm not sure if Pierce doesn't like the wait time for LP actions, gets better dealer rates on other actions, has personal problems with the owners of LP, or just straight up hates their actions. Either way, the sentiment doesn't seem to be very mainstream.

 

[wind gypsy]

Maybe they've had a massive drop-off in QC that literally no one is talking about outside of 1-2 gunsmiths saying it privately. The guys over on Sniper's Hide are neurotic as hell and if this was a known issue there would be a 15 page thread of people yelling at each other over there. If "a gunsmith said" is a source, I'll say that LP Fuzions are very well regarded by Mike R (from TacOps rifles) if that's worth anything.

Also those issues seem like huge problems for the PRS guys using LP Fuzions and prefit barrels. If they made crooked actions that would be a problem for prefit barrels, wouldn't it? And if their ignition was garbage and caused issues with precision, that might be an issue in the PRS as well. I'm not saying the PRS is the ultimate tester of actions but I do think it tests obvious glaring ignition issues and actions being unfit for prefit barrels given 35% of the top 200 shooters are now using prefit barrels according to PRB surveys.

Bushnell and Vortex scopes topped the list of most used scopes in the PR Blog "what the pros use" articles and Leupold is very high as well. I've read a handful of threads where Impact Owners kept having ND issues with TT triggers and they had to send their actions back.

All that to say there can be validity to what some are saying and it not prevent the majority of people from having rifles that allow them to be competitive in PRS anyway. Again, coming from a guy who likes my sole Lone Peak a lot.

 

[JohnJohnson]

Bushnell and Vortex scopes topped the list of most used scopes in the PR Blog "what the pros use" articles and Leupold is very high as well. I've read a handful of threads where Impact Owners kept having ND issues with TT triggers and they had to send their actions back.

All that to say there can be validity to what some are saying and it not prevent the majority of people from having rifles that allow them to be competitive in PRS anyway. Again, coming from a guy who likes my sole Lone Peak a lot.

I don't see much equivalence in the comparison. Though what you said about the scopes is also not very accurate if you meant this year. The top brands are ZCO, Leupold, TT, and Nightforce. I will link the chart for this year's survey below this.

Anyway, it's not an apples to apples comparison. PRS doesn't seem to be that rough on scopes so their zero retention requirements are different from hunters. They have a range to go check their zero beforehand at least most of the time. So their main requirements from optics are tracking, FOV, and image quality. That's a different order of priorities compared to hunters.

If LP actions were crooked pieces of garbage with bad ignition that affected precision, would it be as easy for them to shrug off as the zero retention issue for scopes? I think if the actions were interfering with the base precision requirements PRS shooters want from their rifles it would at least be talked about.

Edit: To be clear, I am 100% on board with the idea that LP actions would have been to be cleaned up a lot to be used in benchrest competitions. Just like many benchrest actions would probably be nonfunctional in practical applications like hunting. What I'm saying is that fact is not relevant to anyone other than benchrest shooters.

 

[wind gypsy]

I don't see much equivalence in the comparison. Though what you said about the scopes is also not very accurate if you meant this year. The top brands are ZCO, Leupold, TT, and Nightforce. I will link the chart for this year's survey below this.

Anyway, it's not an apples to apples comparison. PRS doesn't seem to be that rough on scopes so their zero retention requirements are different from hunters. They have a range to go check their zero beforehand at least most of the time. So their main requirements from optics are tracking, FOV, and image quality. That's a different order of priorities compared to hunters.

If LP actions were crooked pieces of garbage with bad ignition that affected precision, would it be as easy for them to shrug off as the zero retention issue for scopes? I think if the actions were interfering with the base precision requirements PRS shooters want from their rifles it would at least be talked about.

Edit: To be clear, I am 100% on board with the idea that LP actions would have been to be cleaned up a lot to be used in benchrest competitions. Just like many benchrest actions would probably be nonfunctional in practical applications like hunting. What I'm saying is that fact is not relevant to anyone other than benchrest shooters.

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I meant in the past.

Best Tactical Scopes & Reticles – What The Pros Use

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I was wrong about bushy, they were 2nd most used.

Best Rifle Scope – What The Pros Use 2013

This post is about what scopes and reticles the best precision rifle shooters are using. It is based...

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[JohnJohnson]

I meant in the past.

Best Tactical Scopes & Reticles – What The Pros Use

I recently surveyed the top 100 shooters in the Precision Rifle Series (PRS), and this post reviews ...

precisionrifleblog.com

I was wrong about bushy, they were 2nd most used.

Best Rifle Scope – What The Pros Use 2013

This post is about what scopes and reticles the best precision rifle shooters are using. It is based...

precisionrifleblog.com

I'm a bit confused. PRS guys used bad scopes 10-12 years ago, therefore they could be using bad actions now? It's certainly a possibility but also seems like a bit of a stretch.

 

[TaperPin]

My bs detector goes off when gunsmiths start talking about ignition system problems with new actions before the action is in hand. Sorry, but it’s an easy target to talk clients into extra work for tiny, if any, benefit. What makes a rifle shoot well in the 700 platform is very well known and it’s not complicated. Someone could take a single accurate custom barrel and screw it into six random cheap factory Remington actions with horrible machining and have a hard time seeing a difference on target.

If the firing pin protrusion is off that’s a warrantee issue, but it’s an easy thing to tell someone they “set up all rifles with .xxx” stick out,” if that’s a thing or not. Firing pin springs are easy to check against a new spring - at the absolute worst a replacement spring is $15 and the minimal effort to swap them out. Cocking piece drag is the darling topic of benchrest builders, but when it comes up on hunting rifle builds, even if it’s a 1/2 MOA hunting rifle, it’s waxing the hubcaps to make your pickup go faster. The evidence for this is when factory rifle bolts are replaced with custom bolts with all the accurizing tricks employed and accuracy isn’t changed even a little.

I’d use the action you like and take gunsmith advice with a grain of salt.

 

[Quandary]

Happy someone said ^^^ I was holding back. Not to mention that is the Pierce a Pierce Precision Pierce......

 

[Schmo]

I don't see much equivalence in the comparison. Though what you said about the scopes is also not very accurate if you meant this year. The top brands are ZCO, Leupold, TT, and Nightforce. I will link the chart for this year's survey below this.

Anyway, it's not an apples to apples comparison. PRS doesn't seem to be that rough on scopes so their zero retention requirements are different from hunters. They have a range to go check their zero beforehand at least most of the time. So their main requirements from optics are tracking, FOV, and image quality. That's a different order of priorities compared to hunters.

If LP actions were crooked pieces of garbage with bad ignition that affected precision, would it be as easy for them to shrug off as the zero retention issue for scopes? I think if the actions were interfering with the base precision requirements PRS shooters want from their rifles it would at least be talked about.

Edit: To be clear, I am 100% on board with the idea that LP actions would have been to be cleaned up a lot to be used in benchrest competitions. Just like many benchrest actions would probably be nonfunctional in practical applications like hunting. What I'm saying is that fact is not relevant to anyone other than benchrest shooters.

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Must be a fake list, I don’t see any SWFA scopes on there!

 

[wind gypsy]

I'm a bit confused. PRS guys used bad scopes 10-12 years ago, therefore they could be using bad actions now? It's certainly a possibility but also seems like a bit of a stretch.

My basic point is that being the most popular "fill in the blank" amongst PRS shooters doesn't mean its the most reliable/best/without some occasional issues piece of equipment available.

Happy someone said ^^^ I was holding back. Not to mention that is the Pierce a Pierce Precision Pierce......

Piercision rifles (gunsmith) and Pierce engineering (action maker) are different. One is in IA and the other MI.

 

[Megalodon]

I just spoke with Ryan Pierce and he also spoke bad of them which sucks cause.i just spent 3300 dollars on 2 of there actions which i already have. He did say for 300 each action he.cpuld make them better. Basically resisting the fire control group for proper ignigition and work on the cock and close. Well here is a comment from Him
Firing pins issues, cocking pieces binding, inadequate firing pin travel. Weak springs. And their actions are one of the most crooked actions on the custom market. I refuse to build on em anymore

I'll trade you two T3x's straight up for your two lone peaks out of the goodness of my heart since we all know the Tikkas are the superior actions.