Colorado possible wolf reintroduction

Sorry for your loss in Colorado. You probably all ready have them and the game dept doesn't want to tell anybody. All likely the 72% that want the introduction have never seen what will happen once the wolves are established. And most likely don't care, they are pretty and make good house pets because the TV commercials always show them in the most favorable light. They are a plague here in Washington, Idaho, Oregon, and Montana. But what do we know.
 
Wait until the blood bath in Rocky Mountain Natl park. Maybe some wolf lovers will get a front row seat to the savagery.
ETA after actually reading the report it’s clear it’s either get some flaws of somebody is lying. Surprise. Two thirds of farmers/ranchers and two thirds of hunters support wolves???? Not a chance sweethearts.
 
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Of course they are already there. There are wolves in lots of areas people are not aware of because the folks who support and fund these repopulations do not want ranchers and hunters aware. Did you know there are multiple established wolf packs in California? Did you know those same wolves have been tracked in Nevada for over the last year. Did you know they have traveled through, and likely took residence in Oregon as well?
 
Simple case of the inmates running the asylum. What the heck are they thinking? Answer; they aren't, its an emotional decision.

With a little bit of reading, one will quickly realize the many unintended consequences of introducing wolves to the equation. Why does government keep making the same mistakes over and over?

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Simple case of the inmates running the asylum. What the heck are they thinking? Answer; they aren't, its an emotional decision.

With a little bit of reading, one will quickly realize the many unintended consequences of introducing wolves to the equation. Why does government keep making the same mistakes over and over?

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When one realizes it isn't by mistake.
No all but many of the wolf proponents would like to see hunting outlawed.
Wolves remove a fair portion or better of huntable species.
Less game less hunting.
Also by adding another predator the hunting for management argument is weakened.

R
 
Our ancestors understood the relationship between wolf and man. This is precisely why they tried so hard to eradicate them from the face of the earth.
 
I live in Minnesota and grew up in WA state. There are way more wolves here in MN than any other state by far. There was a season on them a few years ago and should've never put them on endangered species here. Was a good moose population up north here and now it's way down as well as deer because of wolves.
 
The emotion of anything to do with wolves isn't limited to one side of the issue...fact.
True^...but that doesn't address the devastation they extract on wildlife and livestock populations. Is it understandable that a sheep rancher would be "emotional" when 15 of his sheep are killed in one night?



An east coast animal rights advocate that will probably never set foot in your state and thinks it would be cool to have cute wolves running around ....vs a rancher/resident that lives with the many negatives caused by wolves?

Are you really saying these^ "Emotions" are the same?

Are you saying you prefer wolves to manage the elk and deer populations over hunting programs?

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I have no doubt that there are wolves in Colorado. That is completely different than reintroduction. The species that has been used in other states is twice the animal that was originally here. That "study" gave some unreal numbers about voters. Something like 2/3 of voters on the western slope voted to reintroduce the wolves. I can not find one person that voted on that. Seems a little fishy.

Off topic. BCHA will not get a single penny more from me due to the repose I got from them.
 
True^...but that doesn't address the devastation they extract on wildlife and livestock populations. Is it understandable that a sheep rancher would be "emotional" when 15 of his sheep are killed in one night?



An east coast animal rights advocate that will probably never set foot in your state and thinks it would be cool to have cute wolves running around ....vs a rancher/resident that lives with the many negatives caused by wolves?

Are you really saying these^ "Emotions" are the same?

Are you saying you prefer wolves to manage the elk and deer populations over hunting programs?

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Your reply right here is a perfect example of the emotion based response that wolves trigger from both sides. I'm not quantifying or comparing any emotion or which side the emotion comes from.

Facts matter to me, and I don't run and hide from them or get all twisted up around the axle about wolves or any other predator.

Check this data:

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/nahms/sheep/downloads/sheepdeath/SheepDeathLoss2015.pdf

Seems to me, if I were a sheep rancher, I'd be more concerned about the neighbor dogs than wolves...by a long damn shot. There are lots of predators that kill more livestock and wildlife than wolves...facts are what they are.

Just because someone takes a reasonable look at the data provided by APHIS, you seem to want to go on the offensive when the facts are presented and bring nothing to the table but emotion.

I have no problem with wolves on the landscape, have lived in and around them for a long time, nearly my entire life. Same with grizzly bears, black bears, lions, coyotes, bobcats, lynx, etc. etc.

I also have no problem with controlling all of those predators via hunting, lethal control by APHIS/State wildlife services, trapping, etc. In particular targeting individuals or specific groups of predators causing significant livestock loss. I have been fortunate to not only spend a lot of time trapping and hunting predators personally, but also knowing many state and federal government hunters as well. Their view, and mine, line up pretty closely on how best to go about dealing with predators in relation to livestock losses.

From the perspective of wolves impact on big-game, sure its an impact, wolves kill other wildlife. But again, with some research on population estimates of all predators provided by various state and federal agencies, those pesky facts paint the TRUE picture nicely.

As a big-game hunter, there are other predators that I'm concerned about equally, or more so, than wolves. I also tend to be wayyyyy more concerned with habitat loss, human encroachment, migration corridors, development, disease issues, plant diversity/succession, etc. etc. in regard to our big-game than predators, by a landslide, at a minimum.

When emotions trump facts, from either side, I tune them out...
 
When the big timber wolves get established in CO I would guess that the Mexican gray wolf in NM is doomed. The big timber wolves will either kill them or f**k them, either way there won't be Mexican gray wolves much longer.

This is an example of the bunny huggers and their unintended consequences.
 
I have no doubt that there are wolves in Colorado. That is completely different than reintroduction. The species that has been used in other states is twice the animal that was originally here. That "study" gave some unreal numbers about voters. Something like 2/3 of voters on the western slope voted to reintroduce the wolves. I can not find one person that voted on that. Seems a little fishy.

Off topic. BCHA will not get a single penny more from me due to the repose I got from them.

What response did they give?
 
I am on the OK BHA board and I have not seen any of the BS a lot of folks claim. I have not seen one item that was in conflict with our agenda as hunters. BHA strategy is to turn enemies into friends or at least get folks neutral on hunting. Sad fact is our numbers are declining and we can easily loose our privileges if we don’t have allies. I’m not buying that BHA supports CO Wolf reintroduction.

Ron


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BCHA management is fully in support. The organization is just the Sierra Club in drag and the membership is useful idiots being fooled.

That is pure speculation on your part. I had a few beers with Land the CEO of BHA last week. He’s a good dude overall, I may not agree with all of his views but overall I think you have more in common with him then you would know.
 
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