Colorado…….GOING, GOING, GONE???

[Dr.Spaniel]

I spent 20 of some of my best years in Colorado. I was able to take a bighorn ram, yearly bull elk hunts, quality waterfowl hunting, I no longer live or hunt Colorado much any more.
California has lost its title of the land of “Fruit and Nuts” and now shares that title with Colorado .
The only way you Coloradan’s who enjoy hunting are going to save your outdoor lifestyle is by a well funded
grass roots effort.
Coloradans who are hunters have allowed themselves to be put in a pretty large hole. Only a extremely well funded educated effort will now save some of your rights to hunt. If I was living in Colorado and planned on staying there I would be immediately setting up a network of high net worth contacts who love the outdoors as much as I do. It’s going to take a lot of money to remove these kooks mainly in the front range who have taken over your state and it’s government.
I don’t see much if anything at all from the outdoorsman and women in a grass roots effort to stop the craziness. If the Colorado sportsman lose ,its largely their fault. Instead of complaining on forums I would be putting large amounts of money where it can persuade public opinion.
There are many ways to get your political representatives replaced with more mainstream types. If every hunter had fifteen less craft beers per year, held off on the next best new mountain bike, not purchase the next matching KUIU piece of designer camo, your next piece of gear to save 3 ounces, your next new rifle, etc. etc. etc. and use that money to support the cause to regain control of your hunting lifestyles you stand a chance.
When I lived in Colorado some of my friends were commissioners on the the DOW, these guys were some of the most dedicated and knowledgeable in the USA, I was on the board of the Rocky Mtn Bighorn Society working alongside the biologists and fieldworkers in the game department. These types can dress down the likes of your unknowing city boy governor and his anti hunting male wife in five minutes in a debate.
There are so many ways you Coloradans can respond in force, I just don’t see anyone putting forth a consorted effort. Once you get a plan in place the effort will snowball and money will come in. Along with the grassroots effort say the average hunter donates $100-$200 you will find the high net worth individuals will open their wallets, ranchers, corporations that benefit from hunters will make large donations, and people like myself who live out of state will also help your cause.
If you sit by and do nothing you lose!

Make sure you all are hearing who’s talking. A man who has had ram hunts, bull elk hunts yearly and plenty of all of it. Seems like your average guy. I’m back in Kansas, live in Colorado and Kansas, and the knee slapping at this thread is cracking me up. The guys here are laughing at the bitching about hunting opportunities. There’s 24,000,000 acres of public land in Colorado and 253,919 in Kansas. They are folded over thinking about you all suffering. Be thankful you have what you have and try to keep it. But, be thankful.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

Definitely thankful for the opportunities we have……which is why it is so important to fight to keep it. Some big fights coming up for Colorado sportsmen and women. The same folks that brought forth the mountain lion hunting ban ballot initiative last year are back at the commission trying to ban furbearer harvest and likely take another crack at mountain lion hunting. Our anti-hunting Governor also just appointed two anti-hunting commissioners back in the summer, including one who is by law “supposed” to represent guides/outfitters. We will need to show up in force at the CPW Commission meetings and provide pro-hunting public comment. Also be prepared to call/email flood your state senator come January when those commission appointments come up for confirmation in the state senate.

I follow and support Coloradans for Responsible Wildlife Management and Howl For Wildlife. org to stay abreast of these issues.

 

[ColoradoV]

Some folks seem to see the glass half empty others half full…

I was born here my grandfather moved into Aspen in the late 40’s.. That’s before the ski area.. Yeah our family has seen some change.

Had a blast this archery chasing a true giant of a mule deer. The kind most folks never see on the hoof. Helped a buddy pack out a 340” bull the last weekend of archery. Wife killed a 300” 6x bull on her last hunt. 2 buddies drew sheep tags, 1 drew a moose tag so that was fun this fall. My 82 yr old father has a lo 4th elk tag we always get so looking forward to that hunt.. I got a first season bull tag I need to find the time to get out for..

Been kayaking the high water in the sw the past few days.. Soon the snow will fall and we will start skiing at resorts early in the early season then end on world class powder riding in the backcountry off snow machines w my 11 and 14 year old daughter.. Take a couple hut trips in there either to our mining claim or others friends have. When the snow melts we will be river surfing/kayaking until it’s time to find another 210” buck to chase archery…….

Or you can cut tail and leave I will be here.. Sending the emails, enjoying all the things west slope Colorado offers and yeah doing some hunting = at times of world class critters other times of fill the freezer hunts. We are lucky to get LO vouchers from friends kinda a nice perk of generational Co living. If we ever leave wow what they say out properties are worth. I guess we could buy a very nice place somewhere else. Mother/father live just up the road, my brother and his fam are here, wife’s sister lives a couple blocks away and her mom is here as well..

Yep challenges everywhere but for me the sky is definitely not falling….

 

[MtnW]

Some folks seem to see the glass half empty others half full…

I was born here my grandfather moved into Aspen in the late 40’s.. That’s before the ski area.. Yeah our family has seen some change.

Had a blast this archery chasing a true giant of a mule deer. The kind most folks never see on the hoof. Helped a buddy pack out a 340” bull the last weekend of archery. Wife killed a 300” 6x bull on her last hunt. 2 buddies drew sheep tags, 1 drew a moose tag so that was fun this fall. My 82 yr old father has a lo 4th elk tag we always get so looking forward to that hunt.. I got a first season bull tag I need to find the time to get out for..

Or you can cut tail and leave I will be here.. Sending the emails, enjoying all the things west slope Colorado offers and yeah doing some hunting = at times of world class critters other times of fill the freezer hunts. We are lucky to get LO vouchers from friends kinda a nice perk of generational Co living.

Yep challenges everywhere but for me the sky is definitely not falling….

Sounds like your head is in the sand. Pitkin county, your home (Aspen~Carbondale) Colorado has become as liberal a sh** ho** as Boulder and Denver. Maybe you are part of that establishment according to your comments? Pitkin county has not had republican representation since 1984 with Ronald Regan. Your home is overrun with the WOKE Hollywood establishment. You believe Colorado hunting is status quo from even the past two decades?? Your Colorado governor and his male anti hunting wife is trying to stop all Mtn sheep hunting. Your ultra liberal CO governor Potis , and his anti hunting influencer male wife is trying to or has input two anti hunting Sierra Club officials into the very small board of Colorado Wildlife and Parks. These two anti hunting Commissioner's will have a devastating impact on the wildlife and future of hunting. You say “the sky is definitely not falling “. Sounds like maybe you support the current administration? The Colorado government establishment is not just making “changes” as you state but it is an enormous movement to stop all sport hunting and change our way of life.

 

[RancherJohn]

Sounds like your head is in the sand. Pitkin county, your home (Aspen~Carbondale) Colorado has become as liberal a sh** ho** as Boulder and Denver. Maybe you are part of that establishment according to your comments? Pitkin county has not had republican representation since 1984 with Ronald Regan. Your home is overrun with the WOKE Hollywood establishment. You believe Colorado hunting is status quo from even the past two decades?? Your Colorado governor and his male anti hunting wife is trying to stop all Mtn sheep hunting. Your ultra liberal CO governor Potis , and his anti hunting influencer male wife is trying to or has input two anti hunting Sierra Club officials into the very small board of Colorado Wildlife and Parks. These two anti hunting Commissioner's will have a devastating impact on the wildlife and future of hunting. You say “the sky is definitely not falling “. Sounds like maybe you support the current administration? The Colorado government establishment is not just making “changes” as you state but it is an enormous movement to stop all sport hunting and change our way of life.

Some people want to stay and fight for what they love. Others cut tail and run. Your new home state is definitely stronger with a person like you in it, hope things don't get difficult there or they will be without your steadfast guidance, brave Sir Robin.

This is not a topic that belongs in the Conservation forum.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Sounds like your head is in the sand. Pitkin county, your home (Aspen~Carbondale) Colorado has become as liberal a sh** ho** as Boulder and Denver. Maybe you are part of that establishment according to your comments? Pitkin county has not had republican representation since 1984 with Ronald Regan. Your home is overrun with the WOKE Hollywood establishment. You believe Colorado hunting is status quo from even the past two decades?? Your Colorado governor and his male anti hunting wife is trying to stop all Mtn sheep hunting. Your ultra liberal CO governor Potis , and his anti hunting influencer male wife is trying to or has input two anti hunting Sierra Club officials into the very small board of Colorado Wildlife and Parks. These two anti hunting Commissioner's will have a devastating impact on the wildlife and future of hunting. You say “the sky is definitely not falling “. Sounds like maybe you support the current administration? The Colorado government establishment is not just making “changes” as you state but it is an enormous movement to stop all sport hunting and change our way of life.

Man we get it, we live here. Not sure how we could have held back the flood gates of people moving here? It’s gorgeous.

I’m in my 30’s population has doubled since since I was born, tons moving in since 2010. I’m gonna stay and fight as best I can. Where do we run to? Somewhere else that could be turned will even less migration? We are doing our best but it’s an uphill fight. We beat the lion ban and we will continue to fight hopefully once this gov is out we could potentially get some better people on the commission. Unlikely but I’m hopeful.

 

[MtnW]

Some people want to stay and fight for what they love. Others cut tail and run. Your new home state is definitely stronger with a person like you in it, hope things don't get difficult there or they will be without your steadfast guidance, brave Sir Robin.

This is not a topic that belongs in the Conservation forum.

Sure does belong in the Conversation forum. Colorado’s Division of Wildlife has become “Colorado Parks” enough said there . I left Colorado strictly for a business opportunity which was the best decision I made career wise. When I lived in CO I was a board member of the Rocky Mtn Bighorn Society. I interacted and did volunteer work with the CO DOW “PARKS” department and interacted with the commissioners of wildlife. Leaving CO was strictly a career decision and had nothing to do with not supporting the freedoms to hunt. % sure I’ve supported wildlife causes financially and voluntarily way more than most JOHNNY RANCHER, and still continue to do so today. Many in Colorado wait for others to support their cause both financially , emotionally and voluntarily. Colorado while a beautiful state it’s CITIES have become liberal anti hunting cesspools much to the likes of Chicago,Portland , and states like CA. I feel CO is lacking a strong pro hunting grass roots community and has allowed a corrupt ultra liberal anti hunting government to control the conservation causes in the state.Would love to hear what you are doing Johnny Rancher to fight your anti hunting, ultralight liberal , corrupt, government , except for your sarcastic name calling.

 

[RancherJohn]

Sure does belong in the Conversation forum. Colorado’s Division of Wildlife has become “Colorado Parks” enough said there . I left Colorado strictly for a business opportunity which was the best decision I made career wise. When I lived in CO I was a board member of the Rocky Mtn Bighorn Society. I interacted and did volunteer work with the CO DOW “PARKS” department and interacted with the commissioners of wildlife. Leaving CO was strictly a career decision and had nothing to do with not supporting the freedoms to hunt. % sure I’ve supported wildlife causes financially and voluntarily way more than most JOHNNY RANCHER, and still continue to do so today. Many in Colorado wait for others to support their cause both financially , emotionally and voluntarily. Colorado while a beautiful state it’s CITIES have become liberal anti hunting cesspools much to the likes of Chicago,Portland , and states like CA. I feel CO is lacking a strong pro hunting grass roots community and has allowed a corrupt ultra liberal anti hunting government to control the conservation causes in the state.Would love to hear what you are doing Johnny Rancher to fight your anti hunting, ultralight liberal , corrupt, government , except for your sarcastic name calling.

This forum (Rokslide) is for conversations, yes. However this subforum is the Conservation subforum. All I see here is you trolling residents trying to get an emotional response with your insults.

Thank you for your efforts towards conservation in CO. I too am (still) involved with multiple wildlife organizations, stockgrowers associations, and am vocal in local & state politics. I have spoken to the state wildlife commission & director on more than one occasion, and was part of getting rules changed around night vision, thermal, and white light for lethal take of wolves depredating livestock.

Your ranting about a lack of grassroots organizations rings hollow considering the work CRWM did around the mountain lion ban, and especially in light of your having left the state vs staying and voting for science-based wildlife management and sound government policy. In addition, some of those same organizations I regularly interact with just helped get a cease and desist letter from USFWS regarding additional wolves from Canada against CPW.

You should read your own posts, and then read the final sentence of the post I quoted above. Maybe it will spur some introspective thoughts on your part, maybe not.

Colorado's path forward to solid governance is not straightforward, and will have many ups and downs. One thing is for certain, it will take sensible and logical people who live in the state to stand up for what is right and convince their neighbors with reason, not emotion. Since you have neither reason nor CO neighbors, maybe you should bow out.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

Sounds like your head is in the sand. Pitkin county, your home (Aspen~Carbondale) Colorado has become as liberal a sh** ho** as Boulder and Denver. Maybe you are part of that establishment according to your comments? Pitkin county has not had republican representation since 1984 with Ronald Regan. Your home is overrun with the WOKE Hollywood establishment. You believe Colorado hunting is status quo from even the past two decades?? Your Colorado governor and his male anti hunting wife is trying to stop all Mtn sheep hunting. Your ultra liberal CO governor Potis , and his anti hunting influencer male wife is trying to or has input two anti hunting Sierra Club officials into the very small board of Colorado Wildlife and Parks. These two anti hunting Commissioner's will have a devastating impact on the wildlife and future of hunting. You say “the sky is definitely not falling “. Sounds like maybe you support the current administration? The Colorado government establishment is not just making “changes” as you state but it is an enormous movement to stop all sport hunting and change our way of life.

Spot on. As of now Colorado Sierra Club has two seats on the wildlife commission and Center for Biological Diversity has at least two also. Very close to an anti-hunting activist majority voting bloc on the wildlife commission now. This was all part of the plan when Polis was elected. Consequences of single party rule at the state level.

But this doesn’t mean I won’t do everything I can to fight them and stand up for science based wildlife management and our hunting and angling heritage. I know I have said this before but it bears repeating, CRWM is the best hope we have. They need our support to keep up the fight. Even with the loss on Prop 127 the anti’s aren’t going away.

 

[gbflyer]

Grew up there. 4th gen. My grandma was born in Telluride when it was a mining town. Yes, the CO my family knew is gone and it ain’t coming back.

 

[ColoradoV]

Sounds like your head is in the sand. Pitkin county, your home (Aspen~Carbondale) Colorado has become as liberal a sh** ho** as Boulder and Denver. Maybe you are part of that establishment according to your comments? Pitkin county has not had republican representation since 1984 with Ronald Regan. Your home is overrun with the WOKE Hollywood establishment. You believe Colorado hunting is status quo from even the past two decades?? Your Colorado governor and his male anti hunting wife is trying to stop all Mtn sheep hunting. Your ultra liberal CO governor Potis , and his anti hunting influencer male wife is trying to or has input two anti hunting Sierra Club officials into the very small board of Colorado Wildlife and Parks. These two anti hunting Commissioner's will have a devastating impact on the wildlife and future of hunting. You say “the sky is definitely not falling “. Sounds like maybe you support the current administration? The Colorado government establishment is not just making “changes” as you state but it is an enormous movement to stop all sport hunting and change our way of life.

Man you got a lot wrong or are a troll maybe both.. Yet I must retort. I understand where folks could think the Hollywood actors are running the show in Pitkin in reality it is the folks who sign their checks... The local paper says give or take 90-100 billionaires own something like 160+ properties = so the pay grade is way above your run of the mill A list actor or actress.. Comparing Aspen to boulder or Denver is laughable at best.. Much different crowd n feeling. Or I still go to aspen on a very regular basis great town, some of the best food anywhere, 100% the best skiing in Colorado, I won't mention the hunting, and great music. It's a blast if ya know folks. Heck I still got a 2 aunts and 2 uncles in Pitkin = my grandma lived in Garfield until she recently died but it is not where I live so sorry to give that impression. We currently run a Italian deli as well as rent air b n b's in a small town about a hour from Aspen.. Denver/boulder and the front range is well I guess there is a airport down there if ya can't figure out how to catch a flight up here..

Also I know more than most how much things have changed and know I will not be killing 3 giant bucks on three tags like my Grandfather did around Marble in the 50's-60's. With that said I believe the good old days are here now and while its not the 60's in Colorado its as good as its going to get so enjoy what ya have. Again the public land buck that got the best of me this year would be a monster for any outfitter or unit public or private anywhere there are deer.

I have been here but only for 50 years.. It was before my day but one of my uncles fathers was the head of the CPW for a stint. Another great uncle was a game warden in the NW (one of my better buddies growing up has the job now) and getting to be a long way back but my uncle trained Prenzlow before his "back of the bus" comment got him an early retirement. A third was an outfitter on the flat tops then had quite a good chunk of that oil shale land leased up once the hunting on the flat tops went the way it all did. Ok for folks who want a guide as our family has taken a few out in the hills, on the snow, or on the river (maybe eve a guy like you who needs a guide). I have served on 2 advisory boards to the CPW but as you mentioned pry my previous views would not be looked highly on by the current folks who appoint such positions. Not to brag but rather to make a point = I ask how many 200" bucks ya got on the wall in your garage as well I have put in the time to have more than a couple hangin in mine (even one w trad archery equipment). Or we have put in our time to help change things for the better and clearly not merely the bitch on the internet then cut and run away types as many it seems in this age are.....

Moral is there are still a few of us good ones left to fight the fight. It seems you want to attack every sole in Co as if we support these causes and again inaccurate as the inverse it often true.. To attack such folks well is what it is - in this day of the internet..

As I wrote this I remember how fortunate I am to live where I do. Or while everything changes all the time the sky again is definitely not falling from where I sit looking out my window at a couple 180"+ bucks feeding and a couple 14k peaks. I guess I can also take the good w the bad.. Good luck to you and while it was a troll = I hope ya can find what you are looking for even if it is not in Colo but dont doubt some of us will still be here actually doing the work for the rest of the cut and run types....

 

[ThorM465]

I completely agree with the needs for a grass roots movement to protect hunting and your ecosystem as part of the solution, as a stronghold if nothing else. However, if you think you'll save your state by solely focusing on saving hunting, you're going to lose given enough time. I was out there a few times for work over the last year. I expected what I saw in Denver, but even in the outskirts. What I saw in Colorado Springs surprised me. Y'all are in real danger of becoming Kommufornia.
California and Colorado are the inevitable outcomes of secular, democratic societies. Whether you're a true believer or not Christ and the Bible is the only hope for saving Colorado. Societies built upon Christian values and traditions are the only societies that have ever been able to maintain any real measure of Freedom. The only reason some secular areas maintain some Freedom is because they're still ran by a generation whose world view is built upon Christian values whether they have the intellectual capacity to understand where there morality came from or not.

 

[stalkingwolf]

Man guys on here are a little delusional. Born and raised in SW Colorado and to say it's even 1/10 of what it was growing up I'd be lying. Can't even remember the last time I've seen a welcome hunters sign on any business around here and I remember when that was the norm. My dad and I have stacked and are still stacking plenty of 180+ bucks but that's not the point. It's the day to day and the lifestyle that is becoming intolerable by all the leftists transplants. It was definitely compounded by COVID and remote work they infested us like the plague they are. You guys have fun but my youngest graduated last May and I'm just waiting for the right offer and I'm headed to Wyoming. The only positive out of this is the ridiculous amount of equity I gained in my house from these crazy prices.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Man guys on here are a little delusional. Born and raised in SW Colorado and to say it's even 1/10 of what it was growing up I'd be lying. Can't even remember the last time I've seen a welcome hunters sign on any business around here and I remember when that was the norm. My dad and I have stacked and are still stacking plenty of 180+ bucks but that's not the point. It's the day to day and the lifestyle that is becoming intolerable by all the leftists transplants. It was definitely compounded by COVID and remote work they infested us like the plague they are. You guys have fun but my youngest graduated last May and I'm just waiting for the right offer and I'm headed to Wyoming. The only positive out of this is the ridiculous amount of equity I gained in my house from these crazy prices.

Yeah I feel it all the time here on the frontrange, just remember with Wyoming, if even 150k liberal voters moved into that state you are cooked. I’m gonna stay and fight the good fight, someday if we get the family ranch in AZ we would move for that but until then we will try to keep some sanity in our communities…

 

[stalkingwolf]

Personally, I just feel the pendulum has swung too far left. It was death by a million cuts. Just look at the last few years if nothing else we have wolves, a three day wait for a gun, and come August of 2026 I won't be able to own half of what's currently sitting in my safe because its been outlawed by liberal kooks.

 

[Quandary]

The best thing that could happen for Colorado now is for the Ike to cave in and never be rebuilt.

 

[JBahr]

The best thing that could happen for Colorado now is for the Ike to cave in and never be rebuilt.

I wish this would happen but we only have further western states as examples… California, Oregon, Washington… haven’t happened there and they are way ahead of us. I’m scared for this state.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

Man you got a lot wrong or are a troll maybe both.. Yet I must retort. I understand where folks could think the Hollywood actors are running the show in Pitkin in reality it is the folks who sign their checks... The local paper says give or take 90-100 billionaires own something like 160+ properties = so the pay grade is way above your run of the mill A list actor or actress.. Comparing Aspen to boulder or Denver is laughable at best.. Much different crowd n feeling. Or I still go to aspen on a very regular basis great town, some of the best food anywhere, 100% the best skiing in Colorado, I won't mention the hunting, and great music. It's a blast if ya know folks. Heck I still got a 2 aunts and 2 uncles in Pitkin = my grandma lived in Garfield until she recently died but it is not where I live so sorry to give that impression. We currently run a Italian deli as well as rent air b n b's in a small town about a hour from Aspen.. Denver/boulder and the front range is well I guess there is a airport down there if ya can't figure out how to catch a flight up here..

Also I know more than most how much things have changed and know I will not be killing 3 giant bucks on three tags like my Grandfather did around Marble in the 50's-60's. With that said I believe the good old days are here now and while its not the 60's in Colorado its as good as its going to get so enjoy what ya have. Again the public land buck that got the best of me this year would be a monster for any outfitter or unit public or private anywhere there are deer.

I have been here but only for 50 years.. It was before my day but one of my uncles fathers was the head of the CPW for a stint. Another great uncle was a game warden in the NW (one of my better buddies growing up has the job now) and getting to be a long way back but my uncle trained Prenzlow before his "back of the bus" comment got him an early retirement. A third was an outfitter on the flat tops then had quite a good chunk of that oil shale land leased up once the hunting on the flat tops went the way it all did. Ok for folks who want a guide as our family has taken a few out in the hills, on the snow, or on the river (maybe eve a guy like you who needs a guide). I have served on 2 advisory boards to the CPW but as you mentioned pry my previous views would not be looked highly on by the current folks who appoint such positions. Not to brag but rather to make a point = I ask how many 200" bucks ya got on the wall in your garage as well I have put in the time to have more than a couple hangin in mine (even one w trad archery equipment). Or we have put in our time to help change things for the better and clearly not merely the bitch on the internet then cut and run away types as many it seems in this age are.....

Moral is there are still a few of us good ones left to fight the fight. It seems you want to attack every sole in Co as if we support these causes and again inaccurate as the inverse it often true.. To attack such folks well is what it is - in this day of the internet..

As I wrote this I remember how fortunate I am to live where I do. Or while everything changes all the time the sky again is definitely not falling from where I sit looking out my window at a couple 180"+ bucks feeding and a couple 14k peaks. I guess I can also take the good w the bad.. Good luck to you and while it was a troll = I hope ya can find what you are looking for even if it is not in Colo but dont doubt some of us will still be here actually doing the work for the rest of the cut and run types....

Honestly your defense of Pitkin/Aspen falls a bit flat for me. Your elected state house representative, Elizabeth Velasco, sponsored HB 25-1258, one of the most consequential anti-hunting bills of recent memory during the last general assembly. The bill was crafted with Julie Marshall and Sam Miller, the campaign managers for Prop 127, the failed mountain lion hunting ban. They are the two major paid anti-hunting activists/lobbyists here in Colorado. HB 25-1258 would have stripped away hunting, fishing, and trapping as a primary wildlife management tool and opened the gate to endless lawsuits from anti-hunting orgs. It was discussed widely here on Rokslide. Every hunting org testified against it in committee, as did I. Luckily it died in committee. Strangely the bill sponsors were elected reps from Aspen/Pitkin and Boulder area. Seems that Boulder and Pitkin/Aspen share the distinction of being the base of support for anti-hunting measures. Ironically, it was reps from the front range that voted to kill it in committee, weird. I recommend hunters in that district get involved and exact some political revenge by ensuring Velasco is a one-term representative.

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[Bluefish]

Its like this in several states with massive urban populations, with much more sparsely populated rural areas elsewhere, but the particulars of colorados ballot initiative process make it even worse there. Imo the ballot initiative process needs to be reformed in order to change this.

Simply changing any voter referendum from majority to 60% would fix/stop most of the things outside interest groups try to pass.

 

[WCT3]

Simply changing any voter referendum from majority to 60% would fix/stop most of the things outside interest groups try to pass.

Yes we absolutely need to tighten up the requirements for referendums, it should be harder to even get things on the ballot.