Thanks, sounds like I need to start scouting some creek bottoms w oak that I can glass into, didn't find any I liked last year. Do you find berries in the 6-8k creek bottoms? I found them around 9-10k last year, but no bear sign. I'm at 7k at the house and don't have any berries in my canyon that I'm aware of yet. If the neighborhood bear doesn't wise up by fall and quit being a nuisance I may not have to venture far from home any way.