Colorado actually going to change things?

[Ucsdryder]

The problem I see with moving muzzleloader season to Oct 1 is now you're messing with rifle Moose seasons a much more valued and hard to get license. I think they leave muzzleloader where it is but make it muzzleloader only for 7-9 days. This still leaves archery hunters 3 weeks the longest season still.

Agreed. Why have a 9 day ML season. First rifle is 5. Do the same with ML and start it on a Wednesday. It’ll disperse the ML guys and keep them out of the woods for half of the archery weekends.

 

[wapiti1983]

The problem I see with moving muzzleloader season to Oct 1 is now you're messing with rifle Moose seasons a much more valued and hard to get license. I think they leave muzzleloader where it is but make it muzzleloader only for 7-9 days. This still leaves archery hunters 3 weeks the longest season still.

My problem is the overlap; the ML's I've seen while out treat it more like a noisy hike. I just don't think that methods of take overlapping with varying methodologies of how to approach success is a good idea. If it would present that much problem for moose hunters, I'd rather see ML get the first week of September and leave archery for the last 3 weeks than ever see an orange vest in the woods again while I'm out.

 

[CoStick]

The problem I see with moving muzzleloader season to Oct 1 is now you're messing with rifle Moose seasons a much more valued and hard to get license. I think they leave muzzleloader where it is but make it muzzleloader only for 7-9 days. This still leaves archery hunters 3 weeks the longest season still.

They run antelope during moose already.

 

[Overdrive]

My problem is the overlap; the ML's I've seen while out treat it more like a noisy hike. I just don't think that methods of take overlapping with varying methodologies of how to approach success is a good idea. If it would present that much problem for moose hunters, I'd rather see ML get the first week of September and leave archery for the last 3 weeks than ever see an orange vest in the woods again while I'm out.

But you wouldn't see them with a ML only season for 7-9 days

What are you going to do about the September rifle bear season? That's the same dates and length as archery.

 

[Overdrive]

They run antelope during moose already.

I actually laughed at that. I don't recall seeing Antelope in boggy moose country let alone in the timber in the mountains. Sage flats in the mountains yes.

You're comparing oranges and apples. Moose habitat overlaps deer and elk more than it overlaps antelope.

 

[CoStick]

I actually laughed at that. I don't recall seeing Antelope in boggy moose country let alone in the timber in the mountains. Sage flats in the mountains yes.

You're comparing oranges and apples. Moose habitat overlaps deer and elk more than it overlaps antelope.

The unit I hunt for first season elk, I see both out hunting together while I scout each year. Obviously more antelope hunters based on the tags. Their range overlaps quite a bit in Colorado. I guess it could be seen as funny

 

[wapiti1983]

But you wouldn't see them with a ML only season for 7-9 days

What are you going to do about the September rifle bear season? That's the same dates and length as archery.

That sounds dangerous to split the archery season, like the state would end up trying to nail people for 1 or the other season and leave them A-list thus effectively shortening time a la 1st and 2nd archery. Success % would likely go way down. I'm unsure if that would result in a bullwhip effect of messing up management numbers and then they open up areas to more tags to mitigate it, and get a bad cycle of weirdness. I doubt they would split it and not find a way to do the opposite of the intent. It would be better to change when ML are there than overlap or split one season. I see no reason for ML to exist right smack dab in the middle of September. They would be just as well off in the first week of September.

In 3 years I have never seen a bear hunter with a rifle while out, so it's not really been on my mind.

 

[Overdrive]

The unit I hunt for first season elk, I see both out hunting together while I scout each year. Obviously more antelope hunters based on the tags. Their range overlaps quite a bit in Colorado. I guess it could be seen as funny

I think your completely missing the point of having a deer and elk ML season running the same time as a Moose rifle compared to an antelope season at the same time as Moose. You will have more overlap from ML hunters where the Moose hunters are than you'd have with antelope hunters. I've never in my 30+ years of hunting in the mountains ran into an Antelope hunter in the timber asking me if I've seen any Antelope.

 

[Overdrive]

That sounds dangerous to split the archery season, like the state would end up trying to nail people for 1 or the other season and leave them A-list thus effectively shortening time a la 1st and 2nd archery. Success % would likely go way down. I'm unsure if that would result in a bullwhip effect of messing up management numbers and then they open up areas to more tags to mitigate it, and get a bad cycle of weirdness. I doubt they would split it and not find a way to do the opposite of the intent. It would be better to change when ML are there than overlap or split one season. I see no reason for ML to exist right smack dab in the middle of September. They would be just as well off in the first week of September.

In 3 years I have never seen a bear hunter with a rifle while out, so it's not really been on my mind.

Why shouldn't the ML season run the last week of September? No overlap and no split seems good to me.

 

[CoStick]

I think your completely missing the point of having a deer and elk ML season running the same time as a Moose rifle compared to an antelope season at the same time as Moose. You will have more overlap from ML hunters where the Moose hunters are than you'd have with antelope hunters. I've never in my 30+ years of hunting in the mountains ran into an Antelope hunter in the timber asking me if I've seen any Antelope.

Probably would only happen if you were hunting moose or scouting 1st week of Oct. Caught me off guard as well, but you learn something new each time out, don’t think the antelope season overlaps with deer/elk. There is a limited amount of moose tags, over abundance of moose and ML is draw. Think it would be fine.

 

[wapiti1983]

Why shouldn't the ML season run the last week of September? No overlap and no split seems good to me.

I think arguments could be made for either first or last week.

Or the status quo could stand.

I'd be interested in hearing on 1st/last/status quo from a cross section of really experienced folks who have seen it all, and have a good breadth of knowledge on how to best average possible solutions for equitability across the board.

 

[Overdrive]

Probably would only happen if you were hunting moose or scouting 1st week of Oct. Caught me off guard as well, but you learn something new each time out, don’t think the antelope season overlaps with deer/elk. There is a limited amount of moose tags, over abundance of moose and ML is draw. Think it would be fine.

If you actually look there's a ton of overlapping seasons in September. With a Moose X license you get ML and Archery choices then Rifle. There's bear season and high country deer (some units) in September. There's an early season deer in the first week of October in some units that have Moose seasons too.

There's so much overlap and I just laugh that everytime hunters want ML season moved out of September (especially archery hunters) I guess as a hunter who's hunt all methods I don't understand why so many archery hunters hate ML hunters? Why, because they have to share the woods with other hunters doing the same thing. Or is it the color orange that drives them insane?

 

[cnelk]

You guys do realize that the CPW recently discussed the ML season dates and it was decided to stay status quo.
I doubt if they will revisit that topic again soon

 

[Overdrive]

I think arguments could be made for either first or last week.

Or the status quo could stand.

I'd be interested in hearing on 1st/last/status quo from a cross section of really experienced folks who have seen it all, and have a good breadth of knowledge on how to best average possible solutions for equitability across the board.

Unfortunately those experienced people aren't commissioners for the CPW. The CPW doesn't care if you or I have a crowded hunt or not. They stick with the seasons as they have been for a long time, it's up to us to find what works for us.

Hunting is what a person makes of it, I don't let other hunters affect what I'm doing, I use them to my advantage.

 

[sndmn11]

I stopped at page five.

I wish instead of people talking about the revenue needing to remain, they would change their perspective to spending needing to be greatly brought under control.

CPW can easily function with significantly less, and a reduction in revenue would curb excessive spending.

 

[def90]

I don't have a problem with the muzzleloaders during the archery season. They usually don't stray too far from the road anyway.

However, if you were going to move their season why not just run it along with first rifle?

 

[MallardSX2]

I stopped at page five.

I wish instead of people saying talking about the revenue needing to remain, would change their perspective to spending needing to be greatly brought under control.

CPW can easily function with significantly less, and a reduction in revenue would curb excessive spending.

I have been saying this for YEARS. Basically ostracized and treated like a leper for even mentioning the wasted spending…

Prepare to be roasted by the residents! Lol

The cpw knows how to waste money like no other. Wifi at campgrounds….that’s what’s important these days…..

 

[fishslap]

Muzzleloader sep 1st -30th. One day archery season sep 31. If you hold both a bowsite account and rokslide account, no archery for you except cnelk since he hunts with a bow but isn’t constantly trying to screw over muzzleloader hunters. This is the best science based approach.

 

[Poser]

September is for bear hunting. Be gone, flat bills.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Muzzleloader sep 1st -30th. One day archery season sep 31. If you hold both a bowsite account and rokslide account, no archery for you except cnelk since he hunts with a bow but isn’t constantly trying to screw over muzzleloader hunters. This is the best science based approach.

Spoken like a true ML hunter, has the best 9 days of the entire year, with a gun and still needs more time to get it done! If you’d turn off your atv when you’re bugling off of it, you might be able to hear the other ML hunter around the corner bugling out of his Jeep! Just kidding, just kidding!