Colorado actually going to change things?

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100% draw, still have liberal tag units, improve the quality of the hunts IMHO. I have been lucky enough to draw a few of the lesser desired units and had a great experience. Maybe a NM style of draw system and ditch the bonus points. Just my thoughts.
 

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I would be all for ditching points completely but that’s a hard sell. Only way to do it would to give everyone a 5 year heads up. Burn them or lose them.
 
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100% draw, still have liberal tag units, improve the quality of the hunts IMHO. I have been lucky enough to draw a few of the lesser desired units and had a great experience. Maybe a NM style of draw system and ditch the bonus points. Just my thoughts.
I’d be game for that, seems like it would work well in CO since it really isn’t a “trophy” state. Minus the 6% NR tag allocation and outfitter welfare program.
 

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Last couple of years I have seen signs at trail heads beware of hunters, hunters taking over our woods…etc. coupled with 2 recent shooting deaths by hunters and charges filed. Change will come but not the kind we want.
 
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Sounds like its been a decade since you hunted CO. WEre you with an outfitter? Last colorado elk hunt i did in 2013, i saw plenty of other elk hunters. We were packed in 2.5 miles also and it was a draw unit in the flat tops!
2019 was last time out. And, the only outfitter I’ve ever hired was for hog hunting.
 

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Kill the 30 day archery season. The amount of people hunting archery season for a month or until they punch a tag is over the top.

I hunt archery season.. I would guess 90% of the people out there are weekend warriors. I hunt weekdays and run in to very few people, last year the only other hunters I saw the entire season were some muzzleloader guys on the road going in and out. The few times I have hunted on a saturday or sunday you would think pretty much what everyone is complaining about. The last saturday (two seasons ago) I hunted I ran in to three other groups of 2-4 guys each in the same small basin in about a 3 hour period.
 
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Funny. I hunt SW CO. And as I stated before, the only people I’ve seen in the woods were the same two guys hunting together. Twice.

nope. No humor. Just my experience.
...Are you hunting private land or the last great unknown drainage? There is no such thing as a non over-crowded spot now unless you are on private. Anyone can go on OnX or Google Earth and find trails, parking areas, etc. You're not even really hunting some of these spots any more than you're just hoping the group 300 yards away on the other side of the drainage bumps the herd over. You found the last known honey hole in the state.

If it puts anything into perspective, my house backs against BLM Land, followed by FS and wilderness. I rarely see more than a handful of cars in this area in peak Summer season on a Saturday (Massive FS/BLM Road system). Come September, its a zoo. I can't even find parking along my usual pull offs so I ride my four wheeler up to my spots. People are tent camped right at the trailhead parking lot so they block access. People in 20+ man camps tearing up the spots. SidexSides flying 50 mph down the twisty dirt FS road with blind corners. Trash everywhere. I can't even imagine the hell the trailheads near Vail/Silverthorne see.

The license plates? 75% NR. I used to welcome other hunters, but the pressure in the OTC units and general lack of ethics has caused me to have a strong distaste in my mouth from out of staters and res as well. Handing out OTC tags to any swinging body needs to stop. Too bad the cash cow won't let it.
 
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...Are you hunting private land or the last great unknown drainage? There is no such thing as a non over-crowded spot now unless you are on private. Anyone can go on OnX or Google Earth and find trails, parking areas, etc. You're not even really hunting some of these spots any more than you're just hoping the group 300 yards away on the other side of the drainage bumps the herd over. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though...

If it puts anything into perspective, my house backs against BLM Land, followed by FS and wilderness. I rarely see more than a handful of cars in this area in peak Summer season on a Saturday (Massive FS/BLM Road system). Come September, its a zoo. I can't even find parking along my usual pull offs so I ride my four wheeler up to my spots. People are tent camped right at the trailhead parking lot so they block access. People in 20+ man camps tearing up the spots. SidexSides flying 50 mph down the twisty dirt FS road with blind corners. Trash everywhere. I can't even imagine the hell the trailheads near Vail/Silverthorne see.

The license plates? 75% NR. I used to welcome other hunters, but the pressure in the OTC units and general lack of ethics has caused me to have a strong distaste in my mouth from out of staters and res as well. Handing out OTC tags to any swinging body needs to stop. Too bad the cash cow won't let it.
No offense but it is possible. We hunt muzzleloader season in a unit that is OTC for Archery. We see lots of other camps and guys on ATVs, but we rarely see anyone in the woods. We don’t ever hike in more than a couple miles. Our group killed 2 elk, 2 Muledeer and a Bear last year. My 12 year old missed a once and a lifetime buck as well. Colorado is a big state. I think the problem is everyone wants to hunt the same places, which leaves some of the less desirable areas wide open. Which is fine by us lol. We also see more residents where we hunt than Non.
 
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No offense but it is possible. We hunt muzzleloader season in a unit that is OTC for Archery. We see lots of other camps and guys on ATVs, but we rarely see anyone in the woods. We don’t ever hike in more than a couple miles. Our group killed 2 elk, 2 Muledeer and a Bear last year. My 12 year old missed a once and a lifetime buck as well. Colorado is a big state. I think the problem is everyone wants to hunt the same places, which leaves some of the less desirable areas wide open. Which is fine by us lol. We also see more residents where we hunt than Non.
No offense taken. Spots are getting swamped by more and more hunters on a finite resource. I see good days and terrible days. Last year was the worst I have seen, while 2 years ago was mild.
 
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You found a unicorn area then. Better keep it a secret!
I agree. But, I don’t count crowded based on vehicles or camps. And, it didn’t take long to figure out, it doesn’t take huge effort covering a lot of miles off road In a lot of elk country.

It’s still my belief that if the grazing permits were actually monitored, that hunter numbers wouldn’t matter much. When I first started going, you saw cowboys and such early season. But, they’d be gone by mid September. Now, In the area I hunt, these guys are herding more elk, on purpose, to private land, then hunters pushing them off. That’s my opinion.
 
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...Are you hunting private land or the last great unknown drainage? There is no such thing as a non over-crowded spot now unless you are on private. Anyone can go on OnX or Google Earth and find trails, parking areas, etc. You're not even really hunting some of these spots any more than you're just hoping the group 300 yards away on the other side of the drainage bumps the herd over. You found the last known honey hole in the state.

If it puts anything into perspective, my house backs against BLM Land, followed by FS and wilderness. I rarely see more than a handful of cars in this area in peak Summer season on a Saturday (Massive FS/BLM Road system). Come September, its a zoo. I can't even find parking along my usual pull offs so I ride my four wheeler up to my spots. People are tent camped right at the trailhead parking lot so they block access. People in 20+ man camps tearing up the spots. SidexSides flying 50 mph down the twisty dirt FS road with blind corners. Trash everywhere. I can't even imagine the hell the trailheads near Vail/Silverthorne see.

The license plates? 75% NR. I used to welcome other hunters, but the pressure in the OTC units and general lack of ethics has caused me to have a strong distaste in my mouth from out of staters and res as well. Handing out OTC tags to any swinging body needs to stop. Too bad the cash cow won't let it.
If I hunted private land I wouldn’t be in this discussion.

I haven’t found the last known honey hole. I’ve found where other people aren’t hunting. I’ll say this about the AREA I hunt. Elk can be sneaky and hide as well as any other hunted animal. And, I don’t go blowing a bugle tube until I have a reason to.

I can’t make this any more plain. There are areas you can find yourself plenty of hunting. There are guys on this thread that kill elk every single year in public hunting otc units in CO. They call in elk for their buddies. They call in elk for their girl friends. They ain’t baiting them in. And, they ain’t complaining about hunter numbers in CO archery elk.

That and my experience has formed my opinion. Your mileage varies evidently. But, by and large, minus trailhead parking, 90% of the camps I’ve seen out there hunting are residents. Not NR’s. That’s just my experience.

As a side note, if CO would limit Minnesota hunters, there’d be a whole lot more empty trail heads.
 
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Where I hunt the NR license plates HEAVILY outnumber the resident plates.

What’s frustrating is how simple this is and yet in typical bureaucratic fashion it’s turn into a damn circus.

-80/20 for all draws
-OTC for residents only (Wyoming general tag)
-Buy an A license…don’t get a point for that year
-2nd draw goes in order to resident youth, resident, non-resident youth, non resident
-Leftover draw, every Wednesday is residents only, followed by non-residents every Thursday.
-Resident tag prices to 125 (62 dollars is a joke) and non-resident tag prices increase to make up the difference in lost revenue from increased resident tag allocation.

There…done. That took me 45 seconds and I haven’t even had coffee yet this morning.
If you limit NR to draw only and 20% at that, you’d better up that $125 to about $675 for your resident otc license. It’s the only way parks and wildlife would accept the proposal.
 

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If you limit NR to draw only and 20% at that, you’d better up that $125 to about $675 for your resident otc license. It’s the only way parks and wildlife would accept the proposal.
The nr love to quote that game but it’s been posted multiple times that the money the residents would need to make up isn’t nearly as high as the Chicken littles love to shout about. That being said, I’d pay a heck of a lot to restrict non-residents. If they don’t like it they can move out here and buy a million dollar house, pay high taxes, pay high gas prices, etc to enjoy the benefits of resident tags.
 

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If you limit NR to draw only and 20% at that, you’d better up that $125 to about $675 for your resident otc license. It’s the only way parks and wildlife would accept the proposal.
They are already starting to generate revenue in other areas. NR tag revenue is a smaller part of the budget than many on here think it is. The question is are they preparing to make changes to help or hurt hunting moving forward.
 
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They will have to do something. Colorado is where everyone goes for otc tags, when they strike out in other states. Hunted Colorado once in second rifle. Was overwhelmed by the number of hunters that I encountered in the woods.
As an NR OTC bow hunter I can relate. Had two Texans walk by me at 17 yards talking up a storm as they entered a plateau holding elk while I was stopped and glassing. Complete morons. Ran into em later in the day and they denied being the two I claimed I saw until I quoted their conversation about Stacy. Shut em right up. MORONS!!!! Colorado attract morons! Should be an IQ test requirement before you can buy OTC tags. The smokepole guys will kill a bowhunter if he looks like a moving bush.
 
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They are already starting to generate revenue in other areas. NR tag revenue is a smaller part of the budget than many on here think it is. The question is are they preparing to make changes to help or hurt hunting moving forward.
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Elk NR was CPW's biggest money maker in FY 21-22. In fact, it looks like Elk NR accounts for over 30% of CPW's revenue. Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but this is why nothing will ever change. We are effectively trying to dismantle CPW by wanting new allocations of tags.
 
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