Cold bore zero versus (very) Hot bore zero “test”

Was your group fired all 10 at once, or in groups of three like you indicated either?

Re: group size. Even if you did eliminate the last 2 shots (not saying you should, just hypothetically) its really easy to see that if you took a random 3 of the other holes it would indicate a different “zero”, as well as could shrink the group extreme spread (talking dispersion here) significantly, with the next three printing elsewhere. On an extremely accurate rifle it might not change the zero more than a scope click, but on most rifles it does change the zero more than a scope click. Thats really the only point, that until you can see that entire bell curve of dispersal, you cant really say whether your zero is accurate to the nearest click, and not knowing the true extreme spread of dispersal you cant say that one group “moved” relative to the other. If you have a crazy accurate rifle setup and your group goes from .2-.4 moa 3-round groups, up to .6-1.2moa 10-round groups, thats still the exact same rifle with exactly the same precision. The only difference is that a larger shot-count group tells you something about the entire bell curve, while a 3 or 5 round group simply gives you few-enough data points that it doesnt tell you much until you overlay it with more data points.

Re: the chucks. Just b/c the extreme spread of the big group is 1.2 or 1.5 moa, doesnt mean that MOST shots dont still land near the center of that group. So you’d expect a first round hit on a smaller target to still happen MOST of the time.
67% of the time within 1sd, 95% within 2 sd, and some very small part farther out. It just means that if you get a few shots once in a while that land 2+ standard deviations from the center of the group, that you know what that represents. Not necessarily a “flier” or “heat stringing”, but a statistically predictable result some small % of the time.
I literally loaded those 10 just to see what would happen. That's a reduced load so it's not my normal accurate load. I used a reduced load so I could fire them fairly quickly without waiting very long for the barrel to cool. Its hard for reduced loads to have low ES unless they fill the case.

The 10th shot is still a bit of mystery to me as to what made it create a 173 fps extreme spread. The only thing I could think of was I found one piece of brass with a flash hole significantly off center so maybe the low case fill and the off center flash hole gave low ignition. I was one shot from a .5MOA 10 shot group. Lol

I will shoot it some more with that load since the group goes pretty quickly. I used that load for chuck hunting out to 250 yds and plinking.

Thanks for sharing the good info
 
I literally loaded those 10 just to see what would happen. That's a reduced load so it's not my normal accurate load. I used a reduced load so I could fire them fairly quickly without waiting very long for the barrel to cool. Its hard for reduced loads to have low ES unless they fill the case.

The 10th shot is still a bit of mystery to me as to what made it create a 173 fps extreme spread. The only thing I could think of was I found one piece of brass with a flash hole significantly off center so maybe the low case fill and the off center flash hole gave low ignition. I was one shot from a .5MOA 10 shot group. Lol

I will shoot it some more with that load since the group goes pretty quickly. I used that load for chuck hunting out to 250 yds and plinking.

Thanks for sharing the good info
Run another 10 shot group...they all count and overlay them to that last 10 shot group.
 
Went out and did some load development today. Could someone please point out which of the shots was the cold bore shot and which one was the 10th?
If you could also help me figure out how many “1/4 inch all day if I do my part three shot groups” are in each of those pictures that would be great
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Maybe it’s easier to see the cold bore and the 10th on the 6.5cm




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Run another 10 shot group...they all count and overlay them to that last 10 shot group.
I bumped up to 20.5 grain and replaced the brass with the off center primer hole. The radar includes one shot from my previous 20 grain powder charge fired first to warm up the barrel therefore making 11 shots on the radar though only 10 shots are on target. The spread was largely on the first 4 shots. When the barrel warmed up I slow fired and timed shots by feeling the barrel for heat consistency. The balance of the 6 shots made the 1 hole group of 7 by going into one of the first 4. I'm planning to try my full power loads next which should have a tighter ES. Halfway through the string of shots it started a light steady rain.

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I bumped up to 20.5 grain and replaced the brass with the off center primer hole. The radar includes one shot from my previous 20 grain powder charge fired first to warm up the barrel therefore making 11 shots on the radar though only 10 shots are on target. The spread was largely on the first 4 shots. When the barrel warmed up I slow fired and timed shots by feeling the barrel for heat consistency. The balance of the 6 shots made the 1 hole group of 7 by going into one of the first 4. I'm planning to try my full power loads next which should have a tighter ES. Halfway through the string of shots it started a light steady rain.

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That’s good. Why are you so concerned about the barrel temp?
 
Since I'm going for best group possibility I'm going for consistency whether it makes a difference or not. In gauging field accuracy I include the first cold bore shot.
 
I might also note that this is primarily a 300 yard woodchuck rifle. The first shot warmed the barrel to closer to the ambient temps in which it will be used. Seldom do you get opportunities on chucks for repeated shots that would significantly heat the barrel. I duplicated the conditions in which the rifle will primarily be employed.
 
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