CO Old OTC units that went to Draw - Noticeable Difference?

[Phaseolus]

I'm curious who continued to hunt their old OTC elk units via the Draw, and how that looked to years past. Noticeable difference in pressure, or did everyone just go through draw and get their tag w/ 0 PP? I noticed a pile of units that only drew half their quotas. Many seemed way lower then I would have expected based off my personal observations in those units.

Sorry in advance if this has been covered. I didn't turn up much in the search.

You are talking about Archery since OTC for second and third seasons remains unchanged.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

I'm ColoradoV, I think that all units that are now OTC show be limited draw, regardless of the method of hunting. I know CPU would have to raise the price of all licenses/tags to make up for the lost NR fees that are paid now. But I would be willing to pay more to see less hunters in the field when I hunt. I refuse to hunt 2nd & 3rd rifle seasons because it's like an orange army is in the field. I gave up muzzleloading hunting here in Colorado because of the high number of archery hunters hunting at the same time. (I really hate hunting with full camo hunters and orange clad hunters in the feild at the same time).

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

You are talking about Archery since OTC for second and third seasons remains unchanged.

Right now the rifle seasons remain unchanged as far as OTC tags.

 

[BigAntlerGetter]

It takes a few years for the cpw to iron out the tag numbers but once they do... 100% it is better....

Looks like a few more units are heading the way of totally limited and while it may make the tags a bit harder to get = it will no doubt make the hunting and pressure better.

Been sayin it for years but time to pull off the band aid and make Co totally limited all seasons all methods of take..

Completely agree, I’d much rather rather know X amount of tags per season vs hoping that there’s not gonna be 5000 hunters cause someone posted a good bull with a unit number in archery and suddenly every rifle hunter with an OTC tag is flocking to the unit.

I highly doubt CO would have to raise tag prices, due to going completely draw for leftover licenses, although I guarantee there will be a raise in tag prices as CPW has had to hire almost 200 full time employees over the past few years due to legislation. Such as the wolf vote, the new gun class laws, etc.


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[Serrano]

I highly doubt CO would have to raise tag prices,

It depends on where the NR quota is set.

 

[BigAntlerGetter]

It depends on where the NR quota is set.

Well if the residents keep fighting against the non Residents and dropping NR quotas yes the residents will have to pay more that’s for sure. I’m betting a resident elk tag will be in the $400 range if they get the NR shut down to the 10% allotment like they want. Could possibly even go higher than a resident tag because they will be budgeting off the allotment not leftover licenses sales.


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[Serrano]

Well if the residents keep fighting against the non Residents and dropping NR quotas yes the residents will have to pay more that’s for sure. I’m betting a resident elk tag will be in the $400 range if they get the NR shut down to the 10% allotment like they want. Could possibly even go higher than a resident tag because they will be budgeting off the allotment not leftover licenses sales.

The ratio of R/NR tags cannot be allowed to stay at the levels of Archery elk on the south slope of the San Juan Mountains. Currently 2/3 to 3/4 of those formerly OTC tags are being sold to NR.

 

[BigAntlerGetter]

The ratio of R/NR tags cannot be allowed to stay at the levels of Archery elk on the south slope of the San Juan Mountains. Currently 2/3 to 3/4 of those formerly OTC tags are being sold to NR.

Not sure I understand what you’re saying? Because 2/3rds of the tags are going to NR it’s hurting the elk herds?


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[Serrano]

Give 2/3 of the tags where you hunt to NR.

 

[BigAntlerGetter]

Give 2/3 of the tags where you hunt to NR.

Pm me units and let me look at the ratios, you know a lot of people that complain about there being to many NR tags are also units that don’t have enough resident hunters to fulfill the quota. So why is CPW supposed to do? If they don’t sell the slotted tags to Residents they just dissolve them?

If they do that then your resident tag prices are going to have to cover the loss of income or CPW goes broke. CPW goes broke there’s no more hunting


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[cnelk]

“ CPW goes broke there’s no more hunting”

I truly think this is the Governor and Commission’s goal

 

[Serrano]

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[Serrano]

CPW isn't going broke. Not even close.

 

[BigAntlerGetter]

CPW isn't going broke. Not even close.

You understand there’s a piece of legislation to be voted on that has the whole basis of CPW shutting down and them taking over right?


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[cnelk]

CPW isn't going broke. Not even close.

Wildlife division has been losing money ever since Parks joined the fray.

 

[Jon C]

If you’re talking about the non resident archery law that started last year. CPW allotted a high number of tags so they could have a base over 3 years to average then start cutting the draw allotment down. My 3 unit combination had 500 available non resident archery tags available and sold a little over 250. I bet if that stays consistent the next 2 years CPW will come back and offer 245 total non resident tags for archery. Making their promise to make non resident archery limited and cut some tags while still having a decent amount of Non Resident.


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When I bought my license this fall they told me they had a lot of guys that bow hunted the unit the year before buy rifle tags. They said they had lots of bow tags left.

 

[Serrano]

Wildlife division has been losing money ever since Parks joined the fray.

So they say. I'm not buying it.
If this were true that would just mean they are spending too much.

What they did was move some expenses from Parks to Hunting and income from Hunting to Parks. Hunting suddenly loses money when anti-hunters take over accounting.

 

[BigAntlerGetter]

So they say. I'm not buying it.
If this were true that would just mean they are spending too much.

What they did was move some expenses from Parks to Hunting and income from Hunting to Parks. Hunting suddenly loses money when anti-hunters take over accounting.

So they say? No parks was going completely broke, that’s why state parks rarely had rangers, so it was self serve, they were paying to maintain camp grounds and everything with to many people using the honor system to their advantage, parks was so broke when they joined with CPW it was millions in the hole. Parks still bring in Pennie’s compared to Wildlife. Even with polis’ parks pass, which actually cut off even more income to parks. $25/vehicle? Frequent users to state parks it was $4-$12/ vehicle per visit? I used to ice fish a state park and would go 10-15 times a month at $7 a visit, 3 visits I basically paid my parks pass with the new system. When it would usually cost me $115 a month to go ice fish.

Over 175 new full time CPW employees have been employed since 2020 with the legislation and ballot initiatives to cover all this voter mandated stuff such as wolves, teachers for the semi auto weapon classes, etc. they as in non sportsman are trying to bankrupt CPW so if initiative 98 passes they have a separate commission to take over wildlife that has 0 sportsman, outfitting or ranching people on it. There is literally a clause in initiative 98 tha states if CPW is legally disbanded they take over. Why would you even consider that clause? Well polis and his appointees have been putting people in to CPW to make people hate CPW so they vote in favor then CPW is shut down and they use their own terms on management to shut down hunting. Look up initiative 98 that commission can classify keystone species, endangered species all through themselves through their 9 person commission without outside support.


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[MallardSX2]

The ratio of R/NR tags cannot be allowed to stay at the levels of Archery elk on the south slope of the San Juan Mountains. Currently 2/3 to 3/4 of those formerly OTC tags are being sold to NR.

You’re still whistling your BULLSHIT tune against nonresidents I see.

You just don’t get it at all do you? Lol

 

[Serrano]

You’re still whistling your BULLSHIT tune against nonresidents I see.

You just don’t get it at all do you? Lol

It is BS to convert archery OTC tags to limited and sell most of the tags to NR like they did in units 70,71,72,73,74,75,77,80 and 81.