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Whitetails require food, cover and water the same way elk do. Elk and Whitetails both use terrain in a similar manner. Elk trails in elk country follow the same contours that Whitetails use in mountainous or hilly terrain. If that’s a concept you comprehend, I think it’s a good starting point. I’d think that guys who come from states or hunting clubs/properties where it’s all about providing food plots, bait piles, constructing habitat, sitting in shooting houses as opposed to hunting sign and terrain would be a significant disadvantage hunting elk vs. the Whitetail hunter who hunts natural landscapes, food sources and terrain funnels.

In short, I wouldn’t discount Whitetail tactics as a whole, however, there are subcultures and facets of whitetail hunting that have next to nothing in common with elk hunting just like the guy who pays 30k to shoot an advertised elk on a guaranteed hunt doesn’t in anyway do the same thing that I do. At a minimum, I’d take a hardcore public land Whitetail hunter (from a non baiting state) as a partner well before I’d consider the guy with a bunch of guided Indian reservation elk trophies on his wall. Deer and elk are cousins, afterall.

The biggest difference, I think, is that in Whitetail country you see deer sign where you expect to find it. It may be nocturnal sign but if it’s good habitat and the deer use it, then there will most likely be deer present with some kind of frequency even under significant hunting pressure. In elk country, you can find the most idealistic looking elk habitat and there isn’t one bit of sign that is fresher than opening day of archery season and there may not be another elk through there until next July when the snow melts and that’s how it goes and that’s why people cover 60 miles in a week and never see even a fresh track.
 

el_jefe_pescado

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in colorado, figuring out where NOT to hunt might be as effective of a tactic as scouring google earth for that “textbook” piece of elk habitat.

instead find the “stupid” places...as in nobody would be stupid enough to hunt there.


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Lytro

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Backpacked in (Not very far, but in very steep terrain), camped at 10,200 feet, and hunted up to 11,000. Bedded a bull on an adjacent ridge the first day, but didn't get an opportunity to shoot, and had a group of cows responding to calls the last hour of light. Bumped a few cows on the way back to camp that evening.

Day 2 opened up with a group of 4 cows almost walking into our laps at sun-up as we glassed the adjacent ridge waiting for something to come across. 30 minutes later, a group of 2 cows, a calf, a raghorn bull, and a great 6x6 came across the hillside moving towards their bedding location. I ranged the 6x6 at 380 yards slowly walking the hillside. I got my scope on him a couple times, but the sun rising behind him gave me too much glare in my scope and I wasn't comfortable rushing the shot in that circumstance before he got behind cover. Less than an hour later, 5 cows/calves passed by at about 100 yards. The afternoon of day 2 I set up not far from camp since we had a group come out very close to there the night before and I had my girlfriend set up within 50 yards of camp. She ended up having a small herd come up the ridge she was on with the herd bull bugling his head off for nearly an hour straight. She slowly moved closer to the herd, but the timber was too thick to get a shot on the bull even with him being less than 50 yards away at the time. A calf ended up walking in between and hung out less than 20 yards away from her until dark. (pretty awesome experience for a first year hunter). That night we also had what sounded like 3-4 elk walk within an arms reach of our tent.

Day 3 was extremely windy and we did not see any elk.

Day 4 we had a small bull with 2 cows and 1 calf come barreling through the drainage and into the timber about an hour after sunrise. In the evening we heard an elk moving through the timber and eventually bumped a small bull at dark while heading back towards camp.

Day 5 was hot as hell and we didn't see anything.

No shots fired, but it was a pretty fun hunt that I think could've been exceptional without a full moon and cooler weather. The craziest thing was that we didn't see a single hunter or other person during the hunt. Until next year!
 

kscowboy01

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I can hear it already "The cold and snow ruined it for the 2nd season hunters"
Pulled it off tonight. Day 8 of the 9 day season OTC. Small 4x4 but I'll take it. It was a strange season--worked my tail off for this one. Other years haven't been this difficult.
 
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Crap, we're like 4 miles from the truck...
The work begins.
 
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5MilesBack

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Does everybody take their orange jackets or vests off just for pics? Seems like I always see a lot of guys with only an orange hat on for their pics????
 

5MilesBack

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It wasn’t intentional. I was taking off layers for butchering, and I had no idea the photo was even taken.

One explained, 1000 more to go.;)

I've even seen guys posing with their elk with their pack on and don't have the orange jacket on. Just makes me wonder. Of course I've also seen TV hunters ML hunting the ML season in CO with scopes, and the "Kings of Getting Them" show where they intentionally bowhunted the rifle season and then wore all camo and put it on their show.:oops:
 

brsnow

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One explained, 1000 more to go.;)

I've even seen guys posing with their elk with their pack on and don't have the orange jacket on. Just makes me wonder.

might be other states, in WY you only need an orange hat to be legal.
 

ChrisAU

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Does everybody take their orange jackets or vests off just for pics? Seems like I always see a lot of guys with only an orange hat on for their pics????

I was stripping down to start butchering when pics were taken.

And generally I’d assume that one is no longer hunting when they are taking pics at a kill site.
 

cnelk

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Presume?
There are DAUs that haven’t had updated herd counts for 11 years.

If the so-called late winter flyover herd counts were being done, why haven’t we seen updated DAU data?

And if the herd wasn’t lower than objectives, why would they have Bull Only seasons and reduced tag allotments in some specific units this year?

Calf recruitment isn’t happening like it needs to in areas too.

These are all ingredients that show a declining elk herd.

That’s what I’m going by.
 
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I'm not trying to pick a side on the accuracy of herd assessments, but remember, anecdotal observations are just that.

I want whats best for the elk in Colorado to thrive and propagate. That way I can eat them every few years.

Just my 2 cents that were not asked for!

Congrats to those with success this year! Hoping to get out there in 2020
 

Grant K

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Presume?
There are DAUs that haven’t had updated herd counts for 11 years.

If the so-called late winter flyover herd counts were being done, why haven’t we seen updated DAU data?

And if the herd wasn’t lower than objectives, why would they have Bull Only seasons and reduced tag allotments in some specific units this year?

Calf recruitment isn’t happening like it needs to in areas too.

These are all ingredients that show a declining elk herd.

That’s what I’m going by.
I 100% agree, the recent realization that bear numbers were WAY off is also telling on the accuracy of the current population estimates, bears are harder to count but have also apparently had more effort directed at the issue...

At an in the field level it is apparent that the hunting is getting worse at a pretty steady rate in some areas, while I realize that it is a personal observation and a very small sample size I am usually in the field with friends pretty much from opening of archery to the end of 4th rifle, and maybe a couple late season cow tags as well... spread over 10 or more units... while the success rate of our crew has stayed well above the average it is easy to look at how much country we are looking at and how many days it takes to fill tags and see that some units have stayed pretty steady, long term, while a couple of others have had a really pronounced change in how much work it is to fill a tag, this is with year round scouting and adapting to year to year changes, what is noticeable is that for the last 4/5 years no units have been trending toward being better, before that there were changes for sure but some areas got better, some worse, as of lately it has been an overall downward trend...
 
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