burning your trash? seriously?

[maninthemaze]

I can't speak for every American either.

Actually agenda driven environuts are one of the things that are "ruining our country". Political correctness is "ruining our country". Trying to pander to minority interests is "ruining our country". Losing common sense is "ruining our country". Participation ribbons for kids are "ruining our country". Reparations for things that were done centuries ago is "ruining our country". Ignoring the constitution is "ruining our country". Stifling capitalism is "ruining our country". Thinking socialism is a good idea for us is "ruining our country". There are many other things "ruining our country".

That has got to be the quote of the day. And I agreed with all of it. The environmentalists have gone too far. Next thing you know, our American Flag, the great RED WHITE AND BLUE, will simply be an all white flag. We'd hate to offend anyone displaying a color they didn't like.

All this remind me of a popular bumper sticker here in KY. If you don't like coal, don't use electricity. Simple as that.


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[Northernpiker]

Leaving trash in the forest is unacceptable . Bitching about the fumes from a camp fire is what earns a person hippie status from me

Lighten up on the Hippies, they did do some good things back in the 60's and 70's. I should know(yes I'm that old). I'm not against burning anything that burns down to ashes. I never have a fire so I carry all my trash out. And I never kill anything cause I'm so stoned I don't know where I'm at( just kidding).

 

[BigAntlerGetter]

I'm on the fence about the whole deal, there are enough people that live in the sticks that still burn all their trash. I did at my old house cans and glass went to the dump, everything else in the barrel and burned. In the wilderness imo if it will burn down and be gone so be it, better than it getting buried in a land fill. We tell our hunters to burn paper, cardboard, in the wood stove in the tent to start fires and whatever they burn in the fire out outside had better be completely gone when we get there. Otherwise we pick through the ashes and find anything that wasn't burned. My biggest pet peeve riding the maroon bells wilderness though is riding along and someone's dog has shit, they pick it up in one of them plastic bags then leave it on the side of the trail. Really? Personally I'm not picking up my dogs shit, I'll kick it off the trail or whatever and be on my way. Pack it out or leave it haha don't pick it up in a plastic bag and walk away that's worse than a pile of shit in the middle of the trail. I also see way more trash in the summer from recreational campers than I do hunters, so this isn't all hunters


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[robby denning]

The kind of guys I see leaving trash in the backcountry won't likely ever read this thread

 

[dotman]

The kind of guys I see leaving trash in the backcountry won't likely ever read this thread

That is very true.

 

[Tsnider]

it definitely isnt just hunters of course, but it makes hunters look bad especially with a thread like this where the vast majority are burning their plastics and not willing to even consider changing that idea. the problem isnt one guy burning a bag of course, it seems minor.

these numbers are examples only. might be more might be less

like i said before, if we assume 10 thousand hunters are hunting in colorado alone per day during archery season, and half of them were to burn their daily ziplock that has their food in it. a package of 150 ziplocks weighs 14oz. lets say the box weighs 1oz so we will go with 13oz.

.086 ounces of plastic per bag, no big deal. .086

.086 x 5000= 430 ounces
430 x 28 days= 12040

16 ounces in a pound 12040/16= 752 pounds of plastic being burned during that month.

which after reading this thread i wouldn't be surprised if thats a low estimate.

 

[Tsnider]

The kind of guys I see leaving trash in the backcountry won't likely ever read this thread

honestly when i started this thread i thought almost everyone thought the same way. dont know why i did, i proved that concept wrong pretty quick.

 

[robby denning]

No problem starting it, and I don't necessarily disagree with burning trash. But sometimes it is a necessity. Thanks for posting


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[wasatchcomm]

if i see a hot fire i burn it, i won't start one with that in mind.
i think that as long as everyone is leaving the woods a better place by not littering and picking up others laziness, that is the key.
as others have said, burning a few wrappers in a fire is not worth mentioning or arguing about IMO.
just don't litter, the worst things i hear of are the backcountry guys and gals, that pack it in and leave it \.
should be punishable like poaching.....
have you ever seen how many aluminum cans along the roads in the woods we hunt, ridiculous!

 

[tipsntails7]

No problem starting it, and I don't necessarily disagree with burning trash. But sometimes it is a necessity. Thanks for posting


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Robby what would constitute a situation where burning your trash is a necessity?


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[robby denning]

Good question. I've spent 10 days with two guys in the hills We killed two bucks and were not about to ride an extra 18 miles round trip so that big bag of trash, including feed sacks from the horses got burned. Also, I save my fire starters for emergencies so I burn some trash to get the fire going in the stove. I usually pack it out but I'd be liar if I said always


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[cnelk]

What would be a situation of NOT burning your trash be a necessity?

 

[sasquatch]

Honestly guys I am a little surprised by some of the comments on here. A hippie is the last thing anyone would call me but I do have a degree in Wildlife Biology and I am a high school science teacher. Those things basically mean nothing and do not add any more creditability to my opinions but it does mean I have research and continue to research these types of things.

Burning garbage is not good. Plain and simple you should not be burning garbage. What would happen if everyone burned their garbage? Let's light up all our landfills and see what happens. Incinerators are a different story.

Also the mentality of "I can do it because it is just small it doesn't matter in the grand scheme" is so flawed. If something is wrong then we need to stop doing it, no matter on what scale. if everyone stops then eventually we change our ways and it stops happening on a large scale as well.

We as humans are doing major damage to our environment and if you think any different then you are just burying your head in the sand.

As long we are living we are going to effect the environment but we have to start changing our actions so that we minimize that. If each person starts making small changes then it makes a big difference.

I would think as hunters that we would want to do what's best four our environment. Yes, I know that we cannot completely eliminate our impacts but we can choose certain actions that will minimize them.

Ok so what would you support as a form of human population control? Everything has a capacity limit when it comes to the forest/enviorment or whatever, but im sure you would never want human population control and go seeking every form of medicine available to keep us living much longer than we was ever suppose to?

 

[sasquatch]

it definitely isnt just hunters of course, but it makes hunters look bad especially with a thread like this where the vast majority are burning their plastics and not willing to even consider changing that idea. the problem isnt one guy burning a bag of course, it seems minor.

these numbers are examples only. might be more might be less

like i said before, if we assume 10 thousand hunters are hunting in colorado alone per day during archery season, and half of them were to burn their daily ziplock that has their food in it. a package of 150 ziplocks weighs 14oz. lets say the box weighs 1oz so we will go with 13oz.

.086 ounces of plastic per bag, no big deal. .086

.086 x 5000= 430 ounces
430 x 28 days= 12040

16 ounces in a pound 12040/16= 752 pounds of plastic being burned during that month.

which after reading this thread i wouldn't be surprised if thats a low estimate.

You're welcome to answer my previous post also.

 

[MattB]

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yes i drive a truck. a big lifted shitty gas mileage toyota. all of our weapons and a lot of our gear is manufactured with chemicals that probably arent good for the environment. but what little people can do to help is helping.

I am sure the pollution differential between your truck and a fuel efficient car is more than burning a few ziplock bags. So I guess the message here is that *other* people should make concessions for the benefit of the environment? There is an element of hypocrisy in your posts.

 

[robby denning]

This thread is starting a downward spiral into the absurd, just saying.

 

[tipsntails7]

My main concern is people leaving their shit everywhere. It's alI over the place everywhere I look now. Hunting elk this year in eastern Oregon, it looked like a ****ing dump, I filled over 2 black contracter bags full of shit in less than 10 days. Burnt plastic and beer cans everywhere. There are only 2 types of people that use this area at this time, hunters and cattlemen, and I doubt ranchers are chucking and burning empty beer cans where they're cows are eating. So at times I don't blame enviro wackos for having a really bad view of hunters.

My thought is pack it all out all the time because 90% of the population won't burn it properly and it will be all over the place.

Everyone is correct that the emissions are negligible compared to other things, but I am not naive enough to act like it's good for the environment either.


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[robby denning]

fair enough tipsntails7 and you're completely right about messes like that, but again, Im pretty sure the guys on here aren't leaving a fire ring full of half-burnt trash. I haven't read every post but I thought we were talking zip locks and MTN House.

If they are doing that, then yes, this is a good thread to point that out. However, with what I referred to above, I've been back to that camp many times and you'd have a hard time seeing where I burned anything besides a few black rocks and some coals.

 

[tipsntails7]

fair enough tipsntails7 and you're completely right about messes like that, but again, Im pretty sure the guys on here aren't leaving a fire ring full of half-burnt trash. I haven't read every post but I thought we were talking zip locks and MTN House.

If they are doing that, then yes, this is a good thread to point that out. However, with what I referred to above, I've been back to that camp many times and you'd have a hard time seeing where I burned anything besides a few black rocks and some coals.

Robby, I agree completely. I like to believe guys on here have their stuff together and actually do care about the places they hunt. But I guarantee we all know a guy who hunts, where if you told him you burn your zippy bags he is going to throw a lawn chair, 15 beer cans and who knows what else into a one log fire and call it a day. That's the stuff I would like to mitigate. So if someone that I don't know personally, or have an idea of his views or beliefs I'm telling them to pack it.

When I hiked the PCT I burned trash so I'm not free from that act either.


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[robby denning]

....we all know a guy who hunts, where if you told him you burn your zippy bags he is going to throw a lawn chair, 15 beer cans
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for sure! I can picture his face right now and unfortunately I'm related to him.

friggin' hilarious