Broadhead Tuning Question

[HonkeyMcGee88]

Need some advice from those with more experience on this. So from my understanding from everything I've read or watched, if my broadhead is hitting in one direction from my field points I move the rest in the opposite direction, correct? If broadheads hit right if fieldpoints, move rest left?

What I was seeing today has me a little messed up. I am going to shoot a little more at these distances to verify but it seemed consistent through several strings today.

I am shooting 125gr Iron Wills with a 27" BE Rampage, HIT insert and 4 fletch Heat vanes.

So when I first got these arrows made we tweaked the rest to get the vertical good at 20 yards..the broadheads were hitting a little high.

Today as I got out to 40 and 50 yards I noticed my Iron Wills were hitting high and right of my field points. Maybe 3-4" in each direction. At 20-30 they were hitting good with field points. So I started moving my rest(integrated QAD) to the left. At one point i got up to 8 clicks on the microtune which to me seemed like a lot at 50 yards and didn't seem to be noticing them coming together.

This had me kinda baffled so I adjusted the rest back to where I started and figured I'd come back to it fresh on another day. Curious if anyone has seen anything like this?

I was also a little confused on not seeing the variance until 40 yards. I know any little mistake or adjustment will be amplified with the broadheads at distance but from being on at 30 to the same amount off at both 40 and 50 had me scratching my head a bit. I would have though if I was off at 40 a certain amount it would be more at 50.

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[Sorry slinger]

Well I don’t know if this will help you or not. But I am shooting 100 grain brass inserts with 100 grain qad exodus, beman ics hunter classic 300 spine 3 fletch 3 inch sk300 3 degree offset total arrow weight 495. Shooting from carbon icon 70/28 on performance. Exodus hitting 4 inches right at anything past 40. 3 inche 30 2 inches 20. Moved rest left. Both groups moved left but not any closer together. Changed to a 4 fletch xvanes right helical. Hitting together out to 60. So you may need more steering capability. Also had to move the rest back to the right as I took it out of tune trying to get them together

 

[OR Archer]

You move toward the Broadhead not the field point in very small increments. This is for left right issues. For elevation issues move opposite of your Broadhead in small increments. Check your sight after each movement.

 

[HonkeyMcGee88]

You move toward the Broadhead not the field point in very small increments. This is for left right issues. For elevation issues move opposite of your Broadhead in small increments. Check your sight after each movement.

I just watched a video on this recently and must have only had one of them stuck in my head still. Thanks for the reminder..... I was going the wrong way.

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[Arctic Hunter]

There are a ton of possibilities. If the spine is right, the bow is in tune, and your form is correct, it could very well be you don't have enough vane on the arrow to control the broadhead.

If a bare shaft flys relatively good at 40, I'd recommend a higher profile vane. If it doesn't, it's a tuning or spine issue. This is the biggest reason why I bare shaft tune, then shoot broadheads. Very rarely do broadheads not shoot well when a bare shaft flys straight at 40 yards.

Just my opinion.

 

[OR Archer]

For example your Broadhead hitting high are an indication of a low nocking point. To resolve that you would move the rest down.
For the right impact that’s indicative of a nock left reaction thus moving the rest to the right.
Make sense now?

 

[HonkeyMcGee88]

For example your Broadhead hitting high are an indication of a low nocking point. To resolve that you would move the rest down.
For the right impact that’s indicative of a nock left reaction thus moving the rest to the right.
Make sense now?

Yea I corrected my post. I was only remembering what I had done to fix the elevation prior.

Thanks again.

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[Sorry slinger]

You move toward the Broadhead not the field point in very small increments. This is for left right issues. For elevation issues move opposite of your Broadhead in small increments. Check your sight after each movement.

Looks like myself along with Tim gillingham, John Dudley, Jim burnworth, Aron Snyder, and Levi Morgan have been doing it wrong all these years

 

[ontarget7]

A tail left is bareshaft impact right of fletched or broadheads would also impact right same as bareshaft. You would move rest to the right and follow bareshaft and broadhead.

Twisting the left yoke where applicable is another option when tuning to a desired centershot.

Shimming cams to the left would also be another option when tuning to a desired centershot.

Opposite true with impacting left

If Dudley or the Pope says anything else, well that would be poor advise.



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[Brendan]

Looks like myself along with Tim gillingham, John Dudley, Jim burnworth, Aron Snyder, and Levi Morgan have been doing it wrong all these years

Might want to go check what they recommend. And, I've seen Dudley contradict himself.

 

[jmez]

Looks like myself along with Tim gillingham, John Dudley, Jim burnworth, Aron Snyder, and Levi Morgan have been doing it wrong all these years

Yep, looks like that's the case.

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[Sorry slinger]

I have always moved toward field points if within a few inches and had excellent results. now if it is a 10 inch difference, then you need to start looking at other things. but obviously I am the minority and a complete fool.

 

[Sorry slinger]

 

[Sorry slinger]

 

[Brendan]

Dudley's wrong there if that's the video I'm thinking of. I mentioned it before, but I've seen him contradict himself before on this process. This argument / advice has been Beat TO DEATH in recent years, so I'd go watch all of Gillingham's videos on the Gold Tip Site from very recently. Here's from the screen shots above:

Happy to also send you the thread here where a couple of us went through this a couple years ago and documented our results - if you feel like putting your money where your mouth is.

 

[jmez]

Nothing wrong with disagreeing and posting your thoughts ideas. Use a little tact in how you present your argument. No reason to be a douche.

 

[87TT]

I have had better luck getting my bows well tuned first and the broadheads and field tips fly together better. Also some broadheads just won't fly together. That said I have always moved the rest very very slightlty in the direction I wanted the broadhead to go until they hit the same spot then adjust the sight back where I want them both to hit. Again very slight movement of the rest.

 

[Sorry slinger]

I have had better luck getting my bows well tuned first and the broadheads and field tips fly together better. Also some broadheads just won't fly together. That said I have always moved the rest very very slightlty in the direction I wanted the broadhead to go until they hit the same spot then adjust the sight back where I want them both to hit. Again very slight movement of the rest.

this is exactly what I am trying to say. if they are 6" or more off at closer range, then you need to look at something bigger.

 

[fiskeri1]

I have had better luck getting my bows well tuned first and the broadheads and field tips fly together better. Also some broadheads just won't fly together. That said I have always moved the rest very very slightlty in the direction I wanted the broadhead to go until they hit the same spot then adjust the sight back where I want them both to hit. Again very slight movement of the rest.

Yup, same here in the "Dudley camp" so to speak as far as rest adjustments go when broadhead tuning. Also note that Gillingham states that the opposite adjustment doesn't work for most bows in the above video.

 

[Btaylor]

Another thing that may help long term is get a pad and a pen, write the issue you are going to work on at the top. Write down current settings and then start moving. Move the rest left or right, doesnt really matter at this point. Right down the number of clicks moved. Shoot the bow. Make adjustments based on those shots and right them down. Who gives a rip if you go the wrong direction with the first move? Do the same if you have a press and make twist adjustments. Write it down, shoot, adjust and write it down. In pretty short order you will start understanding your bow and how to get the best performance out of it.