Boiling water in vacuum seal bags?

[OXN939]

Assuming you're not a backpack hunter.
Yes I agree there is danger in plastics.
But im not packing any pots or glassware into the mountains 100s of miles a year.

I used this dude on my backpack hunt in Alaska this year. Weighs 4 ounces and easy to cook lots of stuff in.

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[OXN939]

You say “everyone agrees” a lot. That seems statistically unlikely.

Tell ya what, I'll send you an unopened pack of bullets from my reloading library of your choice if you can find me a reputable academic study refuting what that one says about the health of the male endocrine system nosediving over the past few decades. Can't say I'll be holding my breath, though. Again, all this is just information to help people out. Feel free to ignore if you want.

 

[nagibson1]

Tell ya what, I'll send you an unopened pack of bullets from my reloading library of your choice if you can find me a reputable academic study refuting what that one says about the health of the male endocrine system nosediving over the past few decades. Can't say I'll be holding my breath, though. Again, all this is just information to help people out. Feel free to ignore if you want.

I know this is older ONX, but aren't there more theories on contribution to the male testosterone drop and endocrine disruption than plastics? Toxin resilience is part of normal adaptability- the issue is type and dose, right?
Non-competition, other environmental toxins, and so on are all thought to make contributions- and research is still non-definitive isn't it? We know enough to be precautionary- but we can't quantify it as far as I know. Sadly- a lot of toxins, pollution, food changes, and other changes correlate strongly with the huge rise in our chronic health issues.
I think the questions is dose. If I hunt 8 days a year, is water heating my dinners a meaningful dose of plastic contamination? Esp if I'm past my fertility years (48)?

For bros that do 100+ days in the woods, that might be a real different story.

 

[180ls1]

I know this is older ONX, but aren't there more theories on contribution to the male testosterone drop and endocrine disruption than plastics? Toxin resilience is part of normal adaptability- the issue is type and dose, right?
Non-competition, other environmental toxins, and so on are all thought to make contributions- and research is still non-definitive isn't it? We know enough to be precautionary- but we can't quantify it as far as I know. Sadly- a lot of toxins, pollution, food changes, and other changes correlate strongly with the huge rise in our chronic health issues.
I think the questions is dose. If I hunt 8 days a year, is water heating my dinners a meaningful dose of plastic contamination? Esp if I'm past my fertility years (48)?

For bros that do 100+ days in the woods, that might be a real different story.

Your call.

Plastic Teabags Release Billions of Microparticles and Nanoparticles into Tea​

Plastic Teabags Release Billions of Microparticles and Nanoparticles into Tea - PubMed

The increasing presence of micro- and nano-sized plastics in the environment and food chain is of growing concern. Although mindful consumers are promoting the reduction of single-use plastics, some manufacturers are creating new plastic packaging to replace traditional paper uses, such as...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[OXN939]

I know this is older ONX, but aren't there more theories on contribution to the male testosterone drop and endocrine disruption than plastics? Toxin resilience is part of normal adaptability- the issue is type and dose, right?
Non-competition, other environmental toxins, and so on are all thought to make contributions- and research is still non-definitive isn't it? We know enough to be precautionary- but we can't quantify it as far as I know. Sadly- a lot of toxins, pollution, food changes, and other changes correlate strongly with the huge rise in our chronic health issues.
I think the questions is dose. If I hunt 8 days a year, is water heating my dinners a meaningful dose of plastic contamination? Esp if I'm past my fertility years (48)?

For bros that do 100+ days in the woods, that might be a real different story.

Yes, there are absolutely a lot of factors. But you'd better believe I'm reducing all the easy exposures I can avoid, one of which is heating  anything in plastic, at home or in the field.

If you don't think the average American encounters a concerning level of exposures, look around in a Walmart.

 

[TaperPin]

Plastic isn’t doing a very good job of killing us if we keep living longer. The argument for turning vegetarian is more scientifically convincing. As for chemical analysis showing harmful chemicals, look at the chemicals that are deposited on food while smoking or bbqing and it’s much more concerning. A friend worked in a plant that made a number of things including liquid smoke and employees had a lifetime exposure limit of a few weeks after which they could no longer work in liquid smoke production. Just made my mouth water thinking about smoking some ribs and how good those carcinogens will taste.

At a level junior high school kids can decipher, many folks are dying of old age right now that were born in the plastic age and shouldn’t it be a simple matter to look at families that don’t use plastic vs those that have been all in on plastics from day one? Many normal families exist where babies drink out of plastic, we cook with plastic utensils, store food, reheat foot, drink everything out of plastic, buy condiments and many foods packed in plastic, plastic cutting boards, use paper towels loaded with plastic fibers, synthetic clothes shedding tons of plastic as we wear them let alone dry them in a tumbling micro plastic flame thrower. All night many of us wear teeth guards made from plastic, toothbrushes shedding micro plastic as it’s worn down, not to mention microfibers from flossing. Food is processed on plastic and stored in plastic before it is ever wrapped in plastic. How many times do vegetables get sprayed with chemicals out of plastic tanks that sit in the sun baking. Our house water comes in through plastic pipes, not to mention all the water bottles that are used, sometimes water bottles are the only water source. Every pill I’ve ever taken is in plastic, was stored in plastic, and made with a lot of plastic.

Some rural families don’t buy packaged foods or water, don’t eat or cook with plastic, wear cotton, use wooden cutting boards, water is drank out of glass, etc. If it’s killing us shouldn’t it be easy to see just looking at families with different plastic usage? I’m not even saying it is or isn’t dangerous, but one way or the other doesn’t it seem like an easy thing to determine?

A friend of mine likes to talk about the dangers of plastic, many times while he vapes or smokes. lol

 

[nagibson1]

Agree, but sometimes better medicine can get you through longer even if you have multiple chronic diseases. For example, in recent years when shootings have been up, far fewer people have died of gunshots than in the 70's. It's not the guns or the bullets- they are better than ever at killing. Its EMS and trauma surgery. They're way better at saving people than in the 70's. So I'm not sure life expectancy correlation will to the heavy lifting, Esp here on Rokslide. We're prob not just trying to get years- we're trying to get as many years as we can hike into mountains and haul out meat.

 

[nagibson1]

Yes, there are absolutely a lot of factors. But you'd better believe I'm reducing all the easy exposures I can avoid, one of which is heating  anything in plastic, at home or in the field.

If you don't think the average American encounters a concerning level of exposures, look around in a Walmart.

Agree. At home, I'm 100% on that. Just like I don't drink soda at home, but I'll get one on a road trip.
The question is- shall I do it the 8 days i'm hunting in the backcountry? Is that dose relevant?
I would think that it's unnecessary- since I find most soup or rehydrated dishes are quite easy to clean out of heating containers.
However, my partner is 100% a jetboiler.
So will you guys not eat mountain houses or that kind of meal? will you store or carry stuff in plastic?

 

[nagibson1]

Your call.

Plastic Teabags Release Billions of Microparticles and Nanoparticles into Tea​

Plastic Teabags Release Billions of Microparticles and Nanoparticles into Tea - PubMed

The increasing presence of micro- and nano-sized plastics in the environment and food chain is of growing concern. Although mindful consumers are promoting the reduction of single-use plastics, some manufacturers are creating new plastic packaging to replace traditional paper uses, such as...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

really interesting. Did you see the comment of a non-confirmation- that they only detected 1%-5% of what this study did? They may have used a different brand- and manufacturing quality may have been the difference. That's why I was wondering if there was a kind of vacuum bag or brand that would be of less concern given temps were kept under 190F and for less than 10 minutes.

 

[BRTreedogs]

I’m not to concerned with how long I live.
I’m concerned with my testosterone and how well my penis works for my lifetime.

And who only hunts 8 days?

 

[180ls1]

really interesting. Did you see the comment of a non-confirmation- that they only detected 1%-5% of what this study did? They may have used a different brand- and manufacturing quality may have been the difference. That's why I was wondering if there was a kind of vacuum bag or brand that would be of less concern given temps were kept under 190F and for less than 10 minutes.

Yeah, I really like NCBI as a resource for that reason. Even if it's 3% - thats still 30 million of 1 billion. Crazy what a tiny bag will throw off. I wonder what a big bag does.

I’m not to concerned with how long I live.
I’m concerned with my testosterone and how well my penis works for my lifetime.

And who only hunts 8 days?

I know when we did a household audit, that garbage, not just plastic, is everywhere. Leaded silverware, crap in the water, "poisoned" tableware coatings, clothes, soaps/detergents, paint on your walls, plastic beads in toothpaste, etc... It more like death by a thousand cuts over the years.

 

[nagibson1]

I’m not to concerned with how long I live.
I’m concerned with my testosterone and how well my penis works for my lifetime.

And who only hunts 8 days?

I think a lot of us hunt out west, eating out of bags, 8 or less days a year. 4 kids, one income, lots of other responsibilities- and frankly, other hobbies. Who only fishes 8 days a year?

 

[BRTreedogs]

I think a lot of us hunt out west, eating out of bags, 8 or less days a year. 4 kids, one income, lots of other responsibilities- and frankly, other hobbies. Who only fishes 8 days a year?

I’m just saying
You can’t argue it doesn’t matter if you’re only doing 8 days.
Nothing matters for 8 days

Pump those numbers up and it probably makes more of a difference to ya.

Who fishes at all?
Fishing takes away from hunting.

 

[OPSCWAL]

Hell...I use ziplock bags and it holds up fine so a vac seal bag isnt going to have an issue.. Try it at home and see for yourself.