Black ovis/camofire going out of business?

[Scare]

I placed an order on 10/17 in the morning. I received a order confirmation shortly afterward. Never received a shipping confirmation or tracking number or anything. But my order did arrive on 10/24. I was worried, but they did come thru.

 

[HunterGatherer]

Can’t believe this thread is still going . I’ll say this about boycotting a retailer- if you really wanted to boycott every retailer that supports something you don’t agree with you’d go naked and probably starve to death. And you wouldn’t have a phone or pc to even tell people about it. If you have a problem with a specific guy or product, don’t buy his stuff. If it actually puts a dent in the retailer’s sales of that particular person’s product they’ll probably stop carrying it. You can still inform the retailer that you disagree with their decision to carry so and so’s product but giving them a threatening ultimatum is bad form IMO.

That being said, I highly doubt a few guys boycotting Camofire and BO had anything to do with them going under.

 

[alexnelon]

Can’t believe this thread is still going . I’ll say this about boycotting a retailer- if you really wanted to boycott every retailer that supports something you don’t agree with you’d go naked and probably starve to death. And you wouldn’t have a phone or pc to even tell people about it. If you have a problem with a specific guy or product, don’t buy his stuff. If it actually puts a dent in the retailer’s sales of that particular person’s product they’ll probably stop carrying it. You can still inform the retailer that you disagree with their decision to carry so and so’s product but giving them a threatening ultimatum is bad form IMO.

That being said, I highly doubt a few guys boycotting Camofire and BO had anything to do with them going under.

I think the decision to platform and enrich convicted poachers is an indicator of leadership's lack of character and conscience, and the fact that the poor decisions and greed that led to a chapter 7 came from the same minds is the proof.

I don't think any of us are dumb enough to think that we have individual sway with any one retailer, but to say "who cares, everyone who sells anything is just as bad as Kendall" is just ridiculous. We're not talking about Walmart, these are tiny companies with a handful of employees, and most of them are run by fairly decent people.

 

[HunterGatherer]

I think the decision to platform and enrich convicted poachers is an indicator of leadership's lack of character and conscience, and the fact that the poor decisions and greed that led to a chapter 7 came from the same minds is the proof.

I don't think any of us are dumb enough to think that we have individual sway with any one retailer, but to say "who cares, everyone who sells anything is just as bad as Kendall" is just ridiculous. We're not talking about Walmart, these are tiny companies with a handful of employees, and most of them are run by fairly decent people.

Rokslide took ad revenue from CF and BO and everyone is still here . And how does the size of the company have anything to do with boycotting them ? I don’t see your logic.

 

[wind gypsy]

Rokslide took ad revenue from CF and BO and everyone is still here . And how does the size of the company have anything to do with boycotting them ? I don’t see your logic.

It's really not that complicated. There's lots of stores that sell hunting gear and lots of direct to consumer companies. Not hard to find one selling something you want that isn't a supporter of muley freak, the bowmars, or other similar parasites/black eyes of the hunting industry.

Of course we all purchase things from folks we dont necessarily align with but if there are easy alternatives voting with dollars can move a needle or at least make you feel better about your purchases.

 

[alexnelon]

And how does the size of the company have anything to do with boycotting them ? I don’t see your logic.

Smaller companies are easier to sway. Their lower revenue makes boycotting more painful, and small niche companies are much easier to avoid because they have more direct competitors. So BO giving a middle finger to former customers rather than cut ties with an unreformed unrepentant criminal who sheds a bad light on the already misunderstood and maligned hunting "industry" tells a lot.

 

[badshot]

Smaller companies are easier to sway. Their lower revenue makes boycotting more painful, and small niche companies are much easier to avoid because they have more direct competitors. So BO giving a middle finger to former customers rather than cut ties with an unreformed unrepentant criminal who sheds a bad light on the already misunderstood and maligned hunting "industry" tells a lot.

I find it strange that you take it as a middle finger for a company to continue selling items that most likely (I have no direct knowledge of) were selling. I have a hard time comprehending the mindset of a lot of people in this tread that because BO carried a line of goods from a manufacturer that has a bad past, they themselves should be boycotted. How about the all the pieces of equipment that were branded BO that were high value pieces in a market saturated by high prices? From my interactions with them, they seemed to have have niche that filled a space that quite a few hunters I know complain about. The I want new tech pieces without the Sitka/Kuiu name tax. I have been in a small niche company in a competitive space now for almost 4 years now and I will tell you it is far more stressful that the big corp roles because exactly as you say they are easier to sway ie move the needle on revenue. Small companies don't have the same safety nets to deal with bigger variances in cash flow. I don't know what caused this but I can for sure say that those in management/leadership had many sleepless nights months before this trying to find a path through so that those hourly employees stayed employed. I'll step off my soap box now.

 

[wnelson14]

From looking at the documents:

Crispi is listed as a creditor, being owed $370,000.

They owe Muley Freak $144,000.

Sitka is owed $509,000.

Rokslide is owed $599.

Interesting of note, Kendall Card is listed as a creditor, being owed $500,000.

can somewhere share the document or where to find them?

 

[alexnelon]

I find it strange that you take it as a middle finger for a company to continue selling items that most likely (I have no direct knowledge of) were selling. I have a hard time comprehending the mindset of a lot of people in this tread that because BO carried a line of goods from a manufacturer that has a bad past, they themselves should be boycotted. How about the all the pieces of equipment that were branded BO that were high value pieces in a market saturated by high prices? From my interactions with them, they seemed to have have niche that filled a space that quite a few hunters I know complain about. The I want new tech pieces without the Sitka/Kuiu name tax. I have been in a small niche company in a competitive space now for almost 4 years now and I will tell you it is far more stressful that the big corp roles because exactly as you say they are easier to sway ie move the needle on revenue. Small companies don't have the same safety nets to deal with bigger variances in cash flow. I don't know what caused this but I can for sure say that those in management/leadership had many sleepless nights months before this trying to find a path through so that those hourly employees stayed employed. I'll step off my soap box now.

To be clear: I don’t think anyone boycotting BO/CF had anything to do with their demise. It appears that leadership just sucked cash out until the company died.

The big point is that it makes sense that the people who chose to partner with a poacher for the money it would make them also destroyed a company and paid themselves lump sums of money immediately prior to filing chapter 7 and screwing tons of people over in the process.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Just FYI, the court filings are public record. You should be able to find them on any PACER site.

can somewhere share the document or where to find them?

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