Best release for new archer?

[Jonny360]

I just picked up my first bow. A PSE stinger Max 70# rts. I need to get myself a release and some arrows now. Suggestions on releases? I'd like to get one I can use for target shooting as well as hunting.

 

[Eltigreblanco]

I use a stan sx3. It took my a couple of releases until I found this one. I reccomend it to my friends

 

[Greenmachine_1]

Hinge or back tension release. John Dudley of nockon has the 2Smooth and the Silverback. Carter makes 3 or 4 finger versions. Many other companies make quality releases as well.

It's not what an archery shop would suggest, but in my opinion, an index release (wrist rocket) and to some extent a thumb button will teach you to punch a trigger and create shot anticipation (all bad stuff)

As for arrows, get a bunch of a lower pricepoint arrow that will shoot good out of your bow and shoot a TON until you are comfortable. Once you are confident in your ability, then try experimenting with other setups (lighter-faster versus heavy-slower arrows) to determine what style fits you best.

That's what I wish I would have done when I got my first bow.

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[Jonny360]

Hinge or back tension release. John Dudley of nockon has the 2Smooth and the Silverback. Carter makes 3 or 4 finger versions. Many other companies make quality releases as well.

It's not what an archery shop would suggest, but in my opinion, an index release (wrist rocket) and to some extent a thumb button will teach you to punch a trigger and create shot anticipation (all bad stuff)

As for arrows, get a bunch of a lower pricepoint arrow that will shoot good out of your bow and shoot a TON until you are comfortable. Once you are confident in your ability, then try experimenting with other setups (lighter-faster versus heavy-slower arrows) to determine what style fits you best.

That's what I wish I would have done when I got my first bow.

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I'm a big joe Rogan fan so Im familiar with John dudley from him being on the Rogan podcast. I'd get the Silverback but it seems they are hard to come by and always sold out. Is the Carter a good second option? How do those compare to the stans also mentioned?

 

[Greenmachine_1]

I'm a big joe Rogan fan so Im familiar with John dudley from him being on the Rogan podcast. I'd get the Silverback but it seems they are hard to come by and always sold out. Is the Carter a good second option? How do those compare to the stans also mentioned?

The Carter equivalent of the Silverback is the Evolution. It's only available in 3 or 4 finger. I'm sure there are other differences, but that's the big one.

In my opinion, they create a bunch of panic (hence why I suggest the arrows) in the beginning, but once your form is dialed in, it's difficult argue with the results. I shoot a 2smooth and a B3 Ghost now and really like both.

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[nphunter]

True ball also makes a good hinge called the sweet spot. It has a safety so you can draw it back and come to anchor before releasing the safety. Once the safety is released it works just like a normal hinge. Both of my boys shoot them.

I personally shoot all carter, I’ve had others and carter fit me the best. I’ve got a simple 1, wise choice, evolution and 2 moons hinge. I hunt with a thumb button and shoot with the others, i always make sight adjustments with the thumb button and just let the others hit where they land which is typically slightly right of my thumb button. I have a better shot execution with the hinge and evolution but wouldn’t hunt with either one.

 

[Jonny360]

True ball also makes a good hinge called the sweet spot. It has a safety so you can draw it back and come to anchor before releasing the safety. Once the safety is released it works just like a normal hinge. Both of my boys shoot them.

I personally shoot all carter, I’ve had others and carter fit me the best. I’ve got a simple 1, wise choice, evolution and 2 moons hinge. I hunt with a thumb button and shoot with the others, i always make sight adjustments with the thumb button and just let the others hit where they land which is typically slightly right of my thumb button. I have a better shot execution with the hinge and evolution but wouldn’t hunt with either one.

I didn't realize the nock on releases were just customized carters until just now. The limited bow experience I have has been with bowfishing where I didn't use a release but did shoot 2 finger. So the nock on options seem like the most intuitive to me vs the 3 finger carters. However since the silverbacks are hard to come by it comes down to deciding between the thumb release nock 2 it, or the carter evolution. It seems that some people are opposed to tension releases for hunting while others see no issue with it. Makes the decision tough for me.

 

[stonewall]

I would start with silverback or evolution. Spend some time studying how they work before shooting. Do some practice with d loop string before shooting bow and keep doing that always. Reach out to someone here for some help maybe as well
It can no doubt be frustrating. I’ve lost a few arrows with it. But I had horrible target panic when I picked it up. And trying to punch it created some wild misses.

I would suggest that release so you learn concept of back tension

a wrist rocket will eventually lead to target panic for most people. You can eventually move to a hinge but I’d learn the evolution release first.

 

[BackstrapReaper]

If you are having a hard time getting a silverback, look at the stan perfex resistance. I used to have a silverback and nock2it but swapped them out for the two Stan Perfex releases. I personally like these two better, cleaner/crisper breaks. They are spendy for your first release but i would recommend buy once cry once on the release.
If hunting is your main purpose, i would suggest at least trying a thumb button if your are looking at hand holds. Hunting with a hinge or resistance release is not "beginner" friendly, and although its easier to learn without getting bad habits first,, I think its important to have early success and enjoyment over being hyper analytical until you have a good understanding of archery. Hate to see new people frustrated and quit.
Carter and Stan both make high end index/trigger finger releases, if that seems more comfortable for you

 

[stonewall]

I didn't realize the nock on releases were just customized carters until just now. The limited bow experience I have has been with bowfishing where I didn't use a release but did shoot 2 finger. So the nock on options seem like the most intuitive to me vs the 3 finger carters. However since the silverbacks are hard to come by it comes down to deciding between the thumb release nock 2 it, or the carter evolution. It seems that some people are opposed to tension releases for hunting while others see no issue with it. Makes the decision tough for me.

I shot a deer with evolution 3 years ago. I had heard one potential issue is that adrenaline may cause you to pull so hard against the back wall that it goes off when u let off safety. Knowing that possibility I had the pin in place when I let off safety and sure enough off went the arrow. But I was prepared for that and made a good shot. Only 20 yards though. I wouldn’t have shot beyond that. That was when I first started using it and I had to really bring the range in

I would get the evolution so you can learn correctly. Then buy a hinge and maybe hunt with that. I use the hinge now myself. So far have shot an elk and a pig with the hinge. If you feel good with a hinge then sell the evolution on here. They hold value pretty well

 

[Greenmachine_1]

I didn't realize the nock on releases were just customized carters until just now. The limited bow experience I have has been with bowfishing where I didn't use a release but did shoot 2 finger. So the nock on options seem like the most intuitive to me vs the 3 finger carters. However since the silverbacks are hard to come by it comes down to deciding between the thumb release nock 2 it, or the carter evolution. It seems that some people are opposed to tension releases for hunting while others see no issue with it. Makes the decision tough for me.

The issue with a hinge or a back tension release is that you cannot command the shot very effectively or stated another way "you have to execute the shot NOW" during a hunting situation. With a thumb or a index finger release, you can hit that trigger so hard in that moment that there is no choice but to make it happen.

I agree with above. Get either a back-tension and get good form. Once you have good form, you can worry about the details.

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[stonewall]

If hunting is your main purpose, i would suggest at least trying a thumb button if your are looking at hand holds. Hunting with a hinge or resistance release is not "beginner" friendly, and although its easier to learn without getting bad habits first,, I think its important to have early success and enjoyment over being hyper analytical until you have a good understanding of archery. Hate to see new people frustrated and quit.
Carter and Stan both make high end index/trigger finger releases, if that seems more comfortable for you

Good point

 

[Greenmachine_1]

Totally enjoying the discussion

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[johnvan74]

I just picked up my first bow. A PSE stinger Max 70# rts. I need to get myself a release and some arrows now. Suggestions on releases? I'd like to get one I can use for target shooting as well as hunting.

Hotshot vapor 4 finger. I just got one (my first thumb release) and I absolutely love it.

 

[5 shot group]

Silverbacks should be back in stock soon. I emailed them about availability and was told about 6-8 weeks until available. That was about 5 weeks ago now. i ended up with a nock 2 it. I really like it and shoot it like a back tension.

You can try to find one on archery talk. You will need to meet the 1 week/10 post requirements though before you can pm or use the classifieds.

Watch the videos by Dudley, he does a good job explaining them both.

 

[CApighunter]

I shoot both a SX3 and a Carter Two Shot wrist rocket. I’ve got a Stan Element coming Monday to hopefully help me work through the target panic. I’d start with a thumb and plan on getting a hinge or backtension down the road.

 

[307]

Back tension is a technique of achieving a surprise shot. It is not a type of release. You can use back tension to shoot any type of release.

 

[307]

I just picked up my first bow. A PSE stinger Max 70# rts. I need to get myself a release and some arrows now. Suggestions on releases? I'd like to get one I can use for target shooting as well as hunting.

If you want to become the best archer you can be then the 1st goal is to learn to execute a surprise release. This will not come as easily as pressing a trigger, thumb or index, but it will undoubtedly help you become a better archer in the long run. Its easier to learn a surprise release on a tension style (my recommendation is a carter attraction) or hinge (lots of good options here).

 

[Greenmachine_1]

Back tension is a technique of achieving a surprise shot. It is not a type of release. You can use back tension to shoot any type of release.

Back tension releases are a force or tension activated release by pulling through the back wall. They have a safety for drawing or letting down. If you forget to hold the safety during draw or letdown, you will send an arrow down range.

They are simpler than a hinge for teaching proper form, IMO, than a hinge, but will create a bunch of panic while learning because there is no control of the shot activation until proper form is developed.


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[307]

No. Back tension is a technique that can be used with any category of release aid.

The term "back tension" is constantly misused and creates a lot of confusion.

For example, I shoot back tension with my index trigger.

I can also shoot that trigger in a command technique.

One can certainly also command a hinge or tension activated release, or shoot them back tension.

Note: Back tension is not the only way to achieve a surprise release, but it's probably the most common.