Best overall rifle for guys over 70

I’m good out to 500+. This season my shot was 335. No suppressor or break
I’m 70
I’ve been pretty successful through the years but never so consistently deadly (and at much longer ranges) since I switched from 300WM & 7mmWbyMag to 223 & 77TMK
This year elk at 260,310 & 510
Mulie buck at 440
Old dogs actually can learn new tricks
 
I'd say practice more with the Creedmoor. This deer died in October this fall. Exit about 2" across with double lung shot. Instantly folded at 300 yards at the shot. One of many animals up to bull elk repeatedly killed nicely with 140 vld shot from 2600 to 2900 fps. I've never seen the 140 vld fail, extremely consistent with no tracking needed.
 

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I wouldn't limit myself to one rifle or caliber. I'm 65 and have a 6.5 CM, 280 Rem, 308 and just got a 300WSM.

6.5 CM ground hogs, coyotes, and hopefully pronghorn in the future.
280 Rem whitetail and or mule deer.
308 dedicated whitetail
300 wsm elk

I figure you can't play golf with one club so........
 
Be 65 this year and find myself grabbing the Kimber 84L more. Still love my 300 Weathermark and 257 AccuMark, but they keep getting heavier.
The 84L is a 30/06 and weighs 7# with a Leupold scope on it. I tend to believe that I care it more than I shoot it and the ‘06 will put down anything that I’m shooting at if I do my part.
 
You really don't know what caused the problem unless you recover the animal. I shot an antelope a few years ago, broadside at 100 yards. She dropped to the ground, got up, ran around in circles and ran off. I couldn't find her. Blood coming a little over halfway up, in the middle of the lungs. An hour after giving up, I shot another one at 275 yards. She ran 100 yards and dropped. The bullet, a 103 gr Hornady ELD-X out of a 6mm Creedmoor, did not penetrate more than 3-4 inches. A lot of damage in 3-4 inches but that's not acceptable. So, now I use only Hornady copper bullets or Barnes TTSX in my rifles. Problem solved.

Addition: I've killed two antelope with a 22-250 using bullets that I would use for prairie dogs, Varmageddons. The bullets penetrated much better than the ELD-X on that antelope.
 
Anything in the 270/30-06 class is fine. So is your Creedmoor. I'd bet good money on shot placement or bullet failure as the culprit, not the cartridge. But you won't know until you see the animal on the ground.
 
Going off your “knocked him down” comment, I would say you hit high and stunned his CNS but didn’t destroy it and because you were high you didn’t impact the vitals either.

I lost a buck like that one time. Looked like a perfect bang-flop but long story short, no recovery but 99% certain it was a high shot like. Stunned him but didn't turn off the lights. I've had nothing but excellent performance from that bullet before and since but if that happened to be my first animal with it I might have lost confidence in it too.
 
I love the Berger Bullets. I shot a 9 point at about 130 yards with a 140 Grain VLD Berger right up the center of the front leg at broadside. He ran about 80 yards and piled up. I then changed to the 140 Grain Bondstrike and shot another deer in the same place. Dropped the 8 point in his tracks. Bullet selection does make a difference. Both were with the Needmore.
 
In addition I also use a 7mm08 Tikka with 140's and it's a hammer. Shoot the gun you are most comfortable with and feel the best shooting.
 
The shot was behind left shoulder
That shot wasn't just "behind left shoulder," but too far behind it and high enough to cause temporary loss of CNS functionality but not high enough to crush the spine and sever it. How do I know? Because you already told me so, when you wrote:


I knocked the deer down but lost him

Call me "Captain Obvious" but, this much is true: YOU failed the cartridge when YOU "knocked the deer down but lost him." That's all the empirical evidence you needed in order to figure out where the real fault is found, and it isn't found in your cartridge choice. Had you put the bullet where it SHOULD HAVE gone, instead of where it went, you wouldn't be telling this blame-shifting tale of coyote-bait making woe on an Internet forum.


I’m good out to 500+. This season my shot was 335. No suppressor or break
No, you're not. I'm not, either. I get reminded of how much I suck at "500+" every time I fire a 600 yard slow-fire prone stage in CMP "service rifle" matches. If you were actually "good out to 500+," you wouldn't have rendered a mule deer into coyote bait.


I just didn’t find the creedmoor to have the killing power necessary.

You don't have enough experience with the 6.5 Creedmoor, based on a sample size of one poorly placed shot, to formulate that opinion on the basis of logic and objective reality. I've tagged 20 elk in my lifetime. I tagged 9 of them with a Marlin 336 in .30-30 Winchester. 8 of them were shot with a 170 grain Speer Hot Core handload averaging 2,150 fps at the muzzle. As you'll be tempted to ask why in the hell anyone would use a "saddle gun" as an elk rifle, I'll answer by saying that I had the saddle and the horse to go with it, and admit that hunting on a horse is cheating; you can ride right up to bedded game you might not get so close to on your own two feet, and you can see that game from your tall in the saddle position, when you might not be able to when walking. As a result, my shots were close. But my 20th elk got tagged on the longest shot I ever made on one; a 178 yard poke through the heart with a 160 grain Hornady FTX launched at 2,352 fps. I once tagged an elk while not expecting to see one and toting a Ruger M-77 RL Ultralight in .250-3000 Savage. In addition to that elk, I tagged 2 caribou with it, 3 pronghorn, 21 mule deer or more, and God only knows how many feral hogs. My handload launched a 100 grain Nosler Partition at 2,620 for less than 1,600 ft/lbs at the muzzle. To put this in even greater perspective, a .250 Savage generates recoil on a par with a 5.56 NATO and the terminal ballistics of my .250 Savage load and the 5.56 NATO loads I use now are so substantively the same that no animal would notice the difference. During the 2024 season, I tagged a mule deer at 261 yards with a 70 grain Hornady CX. I shot that deer through the heart. The bullet made an exit hole larger than a guarter-dollar coin. I went to the same area last season and tagged another mule deer at 268 yards with a 77 grain Sierra TMK, and that made an exit hole about 2.25" in diameter.

You might not believe that a 6.5 Creedmoor has the "killing power necessary" but nobody in their right mind would argue that it has LESS killing power than Hornady LeveRevolution .30-30, any 100 grain .250 Savage load, or the game loads I use in 5.56 NATO. In my hands, and the hands of others besides me, myself, and I, those loads are "amply sufficient" for killing the biggest mule deer God made.

But a 6.5 Creedmoor doesn't have enough killing power? That's delusional.


I’m trying to decide whether to go back to my 30-06. I’m also researching 7mm prc so I can use it for deer and elk
That would be applying an ineffective solution to the wrong problem. You didn't have a cartridge problem, so changing the cartridge to something else can't solve it. In the 6.5 Creedmoor, you have the same terminal ballistic performance as a 6.5 x 55 Mauser has, a cartridge that generations of Scandinavians have used to render moose into meat, but you still insist on blame-shifting your rendering of a mule deer into coyote bait on a cartridge that would have killed your animal stone-cold dead if you would have put the bullet where it was SUPPOSED to go, instead of where it actually went.

I'd also like to know why neither you or your guide seemed to pre-plan what you'd do if your animal got back on its feet again.

As a former licensed and bonded hunting and fishing guide in the State of California (#2725), I'm less impressed with your guide than I am with your blame-shifting. His job isn't done when he puts you in a position where you think you can shoot. He is supposed to anticipate what is likely to happen if you muff the shot. I suspect that you two got along famously, though, because he sounds like a blame-shifter, too. When a licensed guide and a client are out hunting together, it isn't the CLITENT who loses a game animal if a wounded animal isn't recovered, and it for damn sure isn't the cartridge's fault, either, when the onus of responsibility for turning a mule deer into buzzard fodder is on him as the supposed expert on the basis of competent legal authority.
 
Bigger bodied than what? Are you suggesting mule deer in Wyoming are bigger than those in surrounding states?

You made a bad shot and are blaming the gun.

Good beyond 500, but bad shot at 335. See anything incongruent about that?

More recoil would only make it more unlikely to see your impact or stay on the animal for a follow-up.

When you knocked the deer down, did you see the impact or stay in the scope for a second shot?

Also, what did you do for the elevation correction? Dial, holdover/BDC, aim at the top of the back?

Things happen, sometimes we miss or make poor shots. Own it. Don't blame the cartridge. There are no mule deer that are "too big" for a 140 ELD-M.
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6.5 CM shooting 140s is just fine for a MD buck at 335 yards….and beyond.
 
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