Been using Remington ACCU-Point 165 grain since Remington discontinued their 152 Extended Range Ammo.
Never needed the 180 as for Whitetail Deer the 165 does a great job dropping deer where they Stand! 180 is just added recoil. So if a 165 does enough I am going to stick with the Remington Accu-Point 165 BT Ammo. Been using it for 25 yers so far and have plenty before the prices continue to rise...
But this year going to strictly Deer Hunt with my Knight Exreme .50 Muzzleloader... Time for something different......
KRE