BERGER bullets

[GKPrice]

I know this topic has been argued and beat to death but my question is more specific

I've generally not been very kind to Bergers in the context of terminal performance on game BUT I've been duly impressed with the ease of finding accurate loads with them - I got to thinking about what "juggernaut" means and if it means the same when talking the toughness of a Berger bullet so I ordered a box of .30 185 Juggernauts - I'm just wondering what experiences they have shown IF anyone has tried them specifically (a already know what regular Bergers do) Am I just chasing my tail here ?

 

[mlob1one]

Interested and subscribed for my own education as well. ☺

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[elkguide]

Can't help you with Juggernauts. I like you found them to be amazingly accurate but had an almost fail on a 125 pound whitetail so put them aside and haven't been back.

 

[GKPrice]

Can't help you with Juggernauts. I like you found them to be amazingly accurate but had an almost fail on a 125 pound whitetail so put them aside and haven't been back.

it has actually been hit or miss with me UP to elk, that's where I stopped liking them - I shot 2 antelope last year with 168 classics from my '06, one was the biggest speed goat I've ever seen and it was an old doe, bullet performed flawlessly at 160 yds for that one and another at approx. 400, but I'll still not use them on elk - I will say though, I'm going to try the Juggernauts for accuracy and it they shoot better than the 180 Accubonds (??) I'll give 'em a try next fall just to say that I'm not SO narrowminded ....

 

[Ryan Avery]

My son shot a deer and a Elk with the 185s. The cow was at 15 feet, hit her in the neck shoulder junction. She dropped instantly and the bullets exploded. The WT deer was at 290 yards. Perfect heart shot the buck jumped once then tipped over. No exit, found half the bullet under the skin on offside. Massive damage in the cavity. Both were shot with a 300WSM.



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[elkguide]

it has actually been hit or miss with me UP to elk, that's where I stopped liking them - I shot 2 antelope last year with 168 classics from my '06, one was the biggest speed goat I've ever seen and it was an old doe, bullet performed flawlessly at 160 yds for that one and another at approx. 400, but I'll still not use them on elk - I will say though, I'm going to try the Juggernauts for accuracy and it they shoot better than the 180 Accubonds (??) I'll give 'em a try next fall just to say that I'm not SO narrowminded ....

The whitetail failure was a 165 yard walking shot and the 168 grain pill basically came apart on the shoulder going in. Fortunately, it knocked him down and the follow 2 up shots made it into the boiler room and got the job done. I haven't had good luck with Accubonds either. My go to bullet of late has been the Hornady SST's, (3 deer and a cow elk last fall) but I can't get better than a 2" group with them from my custom .284, so I guess that all bullets and rifles must have their magic combination.

If you have success with the Juggernauts, I'll be anxious to try them as the Bergers sure did group well.

 

[mtnwrunner]

George, I have not used those specifically but I use the 185 classics in my 06 ack and the 215 hybrid in a 300 win and I use the 140 vld in my 6.5's. I shoot a lot of stuff and have never had a failure nor had an animal go over 50 yards with most being drt.
I had been looking at those also but the classics work-----I have had conversations with a gentleman on another website who uses
the juggernauts in his 308 and has had the same results as I......he loves em.


Randy

 

[Justin Crossley]

I've had great experiences with Berger bullets at all ranges but haven't tried the Juggernauts.

 

[GKPrice]

The whitetail failure was a 165 yard walking shot and the 168 grain pill basically came apart on the shoulder going in. Fortunately, it knocked him down and the follow 2 up shots made it into the boiler room and got the job done. I haven't had good luck with Accubonds either. My go to bullet of late has been the Hornady SST's, (3 deer and a cow elk last fall) but I can't get better than a 2" group with them from my custom .284, so I guess that all bullets and rifles must have their magic combination.

If you have success with the Juggernauts, I'll be anxious to try them as the Bergers sure did group well.

what specifically has been your bad experiences with Accubonds ? SST's are not a bonded core are they ?

 

[elkguide]

what specifically has been your bad experiences with Accubonds ? SST's are not a bonded core are they ?

Accubonds were devastating to the animals that I shot with them but I had accuracy issues with them and after I realized that I had just passed up a shot because I wasn't sure that I could make it..... I ended my use of them.

As most of us that shoot multiple rifles know, each rifle has it's own likes and dislikes when it comes to bullets, however, I have one old .300 WM that will spit out anything into tight little groups and after being unsure of the shot with a .300 WSM I tried to shoot the .300 WM with the Accubonds and even that gun wouldn't crack the MOA mark.

SST's are not a bonded core and probably are not an elk bullet but I've only had success with them and they have accounted for a lot of one shot dead animals for me.

 

[GKPrice]

Accubonds were devastating to the animals that I shot with them but I had accuracy issues with them and after I realized that I had just passed up a shot because I wasn't sure that I could make it..... I ended my use of them.

As most of us that shoot multiple rifles know, each rifle has it's own likes and dislikes when it comes to bullets, however, I have one old .300 WM that will spit out anything into tight little groups and after being unsure of the shot with a .300 WSM I tried to shoot the .300 WM with the Accubonds and even that gun wouldn't crack the MOA mark.

SST's are not a bonded core and probably are not an elk bullet but I've only had success with them and they have accounted for a lot of one shot dead animals for me.

Interesting feedback on Nosler Accubonds as they've been OUR bullet staple since they were released, elk, moose, bear and deer and antelope galor with no failures at all and we've not had nary a rifle in the bunch that would not shoot them, some a little more stubborn than the norm but I've never ever had cause to abandon them - but as we all know there are rifles and then there are rifles ..... I'm close friends with a family of 3 who will use nothing BUT SST's, have been for years and uncounted numbers of elk (WY)and they're still using them but I won't on elk

 

[elkguide]

Interesting feedback on Nosler Accubonds as they've been OUR bullet staple since they were released, elk, moose, bear and deer and antelope galor with no failures at all and we've not had nary a rifle in the bunch that would not shoot them, some a little more stubborn than the norm but I've never ever had cause to abandon them - but as we all know there are rifles and then there are rifles ..... I'm close friends with a family of 3 who will use nothing BUT SST's, have been for years and uncounted numbers of elk (WY)and they're still using them but I won't on elk

I actually just bought another box of Accubonds to try as it's been several years but until the wind stops blowing around here I won't try to put them on paper. I know what great reviews they get and have several friends that swear by them but when I couldn't get a consistent first shot with them, I just lost that edge and put them aside.

I agree that the SST's are not an elk mainstay but I wanted to try them and I had a buddy with me with his .300 Weatherby if things didn't go well but the first shot at 360 yards dropped the cow and I put one more her way to make sure that she didn't get up again.

 

[N2TRKYS]

I load Accubonds in 25-06(110 grain), 270Win(130 and 140 grain), 30-06(165 grain), and 7 SAUM (160 grain). I've been able to get great accuracy in all of them. However, some are more accurate than others.

Personally, I don't like bullets that don't pass thru. I was worried about the 110 grain ABs. It's only a test of one, but I shot an 8pt this year at 50 yards and got a pass thru. Only time will tell if it stays that way, but I'm liking it so far.

 

[Formidilosus]

185gr Juggernauts.


2072fps impact velocity. Quartering to- Entrance through scapula, at least 20in of penetration. Traveled approximately 70 yards.









2218fps impact. Slight quartering away- entrance tight behind near scapula, exit as shown. Traveled about 10-15 yards.










Juggernauts have the thicker Target jacket, and typically penetrate a bit deeper than VLD's before upsetting.

 

[elkguide]

Was Juggernauts accuracy as good as the other Berger bullets?

Have to try the Juggernauts.

 

[Formidilosus]

Was Juggernauts accuracy as good as the other Berger bullets?

Have to try the Juggernauts.

They are a Hybrid ogive so generally less finicky with seating depth. They are as accurate as anything I shoot.


10 rounds, 100 yards prone bipod. 1 inch diamond.

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Same as above, 10 rounds and .75 inch square. (Apologies for the finger, apparently asking your partner if he's zeroed annoys him).

 

[elkguide]

They are a Hybrid ogive so generally less finicky with seating depth. They are as accurate as anything I shoot.


10 rounds, 100 yards prone bipod. 1 inch diamond.

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Same as above, 10 rounds and .75 inch square. (Apologies for the finger, apparently asking your partner if he's zeroed annoys him).

Those targets are a great sales brochure!

What rifle were you shooting there?

 

[Formidilosus]

Those targets are a great sales brochure!

What rifle were you shooting there?

Top group- Tikka Master Sporter 308Win Bartlien barrel.

Bottom group- Rem 700 built 308win also a Bartlien I believe.

Grantd those are dedicated LR guns, but we use the same load with the Juggernauts in just about every 308 we shoot and they all shoot them fantastically, including the LW rifles.

 

[Formidilosus]

Checking zero a couple of days ago on a friends Tikka T3 with the 185 he Juggs. Just wanted to show that they shoot out of light guns as well.


100 yards, prone bipod, 5 rounds.

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[elkguide]

Checking zero a couple of days ago on a friends Tikka T3 with the 185 he Juggs. Just wanted to show that they shoot out of light guns as well.


100 yards, prone bipod, 5 rounds.

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About a half inch right.