Beauty and Toughness - Rifle Indecision

BigWoods

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First off all, I'm pretty new around here so I should say 'Hi.' I've been lurking around here for a few months as I've been assessing my hunting rifle set up and thought it time to jump in.

I moved from Minnesota to New Hampshire's Great Northwoods a bit over a year ago and to say the least, this past fall's deer hunt revolutionary for me. I went from stand hunting the populous whitetails of the Midwest (with the occasional walk to stave off boredom) to still hunting and tracking over the hills and woods of the northern parts of the White Mountains. I think I learned more about deer in a month than I had in the previous 17 years - following a track for 7hrs straight does that.

I hunted with a relatively light (~7.5 lbs loaded) AR15 in 6.8spc since 2012. Tracking deer in the thickets showed me that AR's just don't carry well in one hand (can't carry under the balance point); not to mention that having a giant aluminum heat sink in your hands gets cold. As such, the search began for a lightweight bolt rifle. After handling a few different options (Savage LWH, Browning X-Bolts, Kimbers) I settled on the Kimber. Love the way they handle and (with some mixed reports) their accuracy seemed consistently good. I didn't look much at the Tikkas as I owned one before my 6.8. Really was smooth and accurate; that said, I got a bit fed up after having a series of jams while deer hunting caused by a weak magazine spring. Tikka quoted me ~$75 for a new magazine: no thank you. They also seemed rather front heavy to me. Not saying this to 'bash' Tikkas, but just to say why I'm not all that interested in them.

I found this used 84m Classic in 308 and it was just too pretty to pass up. It's an older 2003 production model with a 2 position safety.
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I mounted a VX-3i 2.5-8 on it and love everything about how it handles, coming it with the Talley's at 6lbs 11oz. It shoot pretty well - This is the norm with Hornady's American Whitetail loads (both 150's and 165's):
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I'm sure with some load development and better days weather wise, It'll do better.

So now for my conundrum; given the need for fresh snow to effectively track deer and the long season here, I'm concerned about destroying such a pretty rifle. Denting it isn't too much of a concern for me (I have a beautiful O/U shotgun that gets used hard yearly) but destroying the stock is. As such, I'm going back and forth with the idea of swapping out for a Kimber Hunter or possibly a used Montana.

For those of you who have hunted with blue & walnut extensively, how bad is sloppy wet snow on an oil finished rifle stock? The blueing doesn't concern me much as I'm able to come home and let things dry up after a day in the field.

I'd love to buy one of each, but that's just not an option at the present!

So here I am, caught in a cycle of deciding between keeping a beautiful wood rifle and swapping for a durable, though somewhat less beautiful rifle. Help me out!
 
I have a nice wood rifle and I also have a synthetic stock rifle. I shoot them both, but when it comes to hunting I want my work horse that I can beat on and not worry about or dwell on after the fact if I add some character additions when I go scrambling through brush or ding it on a rock. Just how I look at it.
 
If its just the snow and wet then no concerns at all. I've hunted with the same gun since '94 in lots of snow and rain with no ill effects to the stock. i'm pretty careful with it when it comes to banging it on rocks and stumps and trees but a good stock wont be bothered by some water.
 
BK - yeah the dings that will happen to me are something of beauty marks...To an extent. Stories of hunts gone by I guess. I mostly don't want the elements ruining it.

Crotalus - that's really helpful for me! I'm planning to give it a yearly coat of paste wax to be sure everything is sealed up (save for the checkering of course) Anything else you do to keep it tip top shape?
 
My Dad has a gorgeous Sauer model 200 that he won in a contest. It was way more gun than he could afford when he was younger and won it and it was beautiful. He has carried it for 25 years now and taken over 30 moose with it and it is pretty beat up. When he goes in the bush with that gun things die. He doesn't wish for one second that he left it in the safe.

I get some guys are collectors and some guns are like a work of art but to me its a tool even if its a nice looking tool. If I didn't want to use it then it would be going to someone else.

Nice gun.
 
Luke - I wish I had that problem ☺ ... Someday

Jimbo - great thought. I'm sure that rifle will be a family heirloom. I guess that's part of what edges me toward sticking with this one.
 
Luke - Question for you since I know you reload for the 308 Kimber's, where's a good place to start? I'm hoping to work up an accurate practice load maybe 150gr SSTs and possibly 130gr ttsx for deer hunting. Thoughts?
 
I have killed critters with both. I would go with 165 accubond or 168 ballistic tip for an all round pick for the 308. I like RL-15 or 2000-mr powders in that weight class.

130 TTSX is a fun little bullet and TAC drives them fast for sure but I think the 165-168 is the sweet spot for the 308.
 
There was a time before fiberglass stocks. Beat the shit out of it and rock on.
 
16Bore - you speak truth! When my wife was kindly listening to me waffle, she said something to the effect of "Revolution and Civil war"... Worked for them.

Elkduds - maybe I can get Kimber to send me that new Open Country stock cut for bottom metal ☺
 
thats why my winchester mod 70 classic 308 synthetic stainless boss bought back in the 1990's is without doubt the best purchase ever made by me.it thinks its a varmint rifle too when on the range. think will go hold it for a while before bedtime......
 
I've got a push feed M70 from the late 60's and something about it just has the "hunt the hell outta me" feeling to it. Yes, it's had 9 stocks and more mounts and scopes than I can remember. Yes, the rear base has to be shimmed because the receiver is off by 25/1000. Yes, it's a 270.

And sadly, I've had a slew of rifles along the way that killed shit the same way it will.

Why it's a "back up" rig now, I'll never know. And the damn thing shoots lights out. Always has...
 
When I have wood that nice I worry about it too much in the field. Shit happens and they get beat up over time. Just no way around it. Invest in a synthetic stock and never think about it again. Then you can focus on hunting vs what might scratch the gun. They're really not that much $$ new and even cheaper on eBay. I doubt you would regret it. ... it would pay for itself if you ever sell it and put the wood stock back on.
 
if a person wants a rifle to hang on the wall for compliments that is what should drive a purchase - if a person wants a hunting rifle to use and enjoy in the field then, IMHO, scratches and dings should not be fretted about as each mark or rub shows a memory or experience and no true hunter would intentionally damage his firearm
 
I have two Win Featherweights, both with pretty stocks- one of the reasons I wanted them. I don't sweat it taking them into the field, that's what I got them for. They are far from perfect, with many little knicks, rubs, scratches, but they are still very pretty and holding up just fine (both in the 35-ish year range).

Collecting has never been anything I've been interested in; if I ever get ahold of an old air cooled Porsche you can bet I'll take good care of it, but I will most certainly drive the tires off of it :D
 
Good idea to by a synthetic stock and your good to go.

Or buy solohunter rifle cover.

Kimber won't send you the stock since it's pretty important for that stock to be bedded to rifle.... I think you can send your rifle to then possibly though and they will do it.

Last thought.... Jack Oconnor started hunting the southwest and he beautified every rifle he owned......

I think some marks impart character and add to nostalgia, I don't but rifles with intent to sell typically.

But the struggle is real. My 2 primary rifles as of late. Kimber Mountain Ascent and a pre 64 model 70 with grade 2 walnut with ebony cap. Pretty much sitting on opposite ends of spectrum.

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