Backfire 20 round group video/data

[nw nm hunter]

I think he did ok, I think for the rifles he has it gives a good rundown. That said with any of the mass produced rifles I think you have better and worse barrels. For example I have seen the same type rifle shoot two different group sizes with the same ammo. The uneducated masses may take his info as gospel and be mad when they don't shoot the same group, whether it's them or the rifle as the reason.

 

[mlevimadden]

It was a good watch. He is definitely a goober sometimes and runs with the crowd of guntuber influencers (spomer, cortina, etc.). He at least comes across to me as logical and open-minded.

He’s helping inform the masses about statistically relevant group sizes, mean radius, and small caliber rifles being more accurate. Hard to fault a guy for that when it’s vastly improved my rifle hunting ability.

 

[Kyguy]

I think he did ok, I think for the rifles he has it gives a good rundown. That said with any of the mass produced rifles I think you have better and worse barrels. For example I have seen the same type rifle shoot two different group sizes with the same ammo. The uneducated masses may take his info as gospel and be mad when they don't shoot the same group, whether it's them or the rifle as the reason.

You can have two of the highest dollar custom rigs that are identical in every way.... but that doesn't mean that they will shoot the exactly the same with one particular ammo.

 

[wind gypsy]

The uneducated masses may take his info as gospel and be mad when they don't shoot the same group, whether it's them or the rifle as the reason.

is that not the same with any sample/test/review rifle sample of 1 ever done?

 

[nw nm hunter]

is that not the same with any sample/test/review rifle sample of 1 ever done?

Agreed and I wasnt saying this was his fault. Just that folks will blame him when they go buy that gun, with that ammo and expect those results, when they don't have a 10th of his experience and the barrel can also change.

 

[Kyguy]

So what? Almost very gun comes with some kind of accuracy "guarantee" nowadays anyways. Not really any different..

 

[bnewt3]

While it is undeniable that 1 example of a rifle in 1 caliber is not statistically relevant, this is far more than youll find pretty much anywhere else.

I do wish he had denoted which rifles he bought/acquired via retail channels vs sent to him specifically. I have a mistrust of test/review samples when the manufacturer knows the rifle will be used for test/review purposes.

 

[dårlig jeger]

Neat idea for a video, but pretty meaningless "conclusions". Shooting single examples of different calibers with different ammo types is like trying to determine the best fruit by ordering bananas, oranges, apples, watermelons, cherries, tomatoes from 10 different stores in winter.

He's a lawyer that has some good ideas and is getting better at being a content creator, but any of these "tests" make it clear he doesn't grasp basic math and science. His and Eric Cortina's MOA challenges are pretty good though!

You think his conclusion was which brands of rifles can shoot best based on this?

I think you missed the point.

 

[swavescatter]

You think his conclusion was which brands of rifles can shoot best based on this?

I think you missed the point.

I admit I didn’t watch the video too closely, but did he not use 20 round group size as the criteria? What do you think the point was?

I get that he does have a ton of experience buying and shooting rifles, but that wasn’t considered correct?

The conclusion that Tikka was an honorable mentioned was unavoidable, but using custom hand loads for the Sig was pretty flagrant.

 

[dårlig jeger]

I admit I didn’t watch the video too closely, but did he not use 20 round group size as the criteria? What do you think the point was?

I get that he does have a ton of experience buying and shooting rifles, but that wasn’t considered correct?

The conclusion that Tikka was an honorable mentioned was unavoidable, but using custom hand loads for the Sig was pretty flagrant.

He used custom hand loads for lots of rifles in the test. Possibly another flaw, but it is what it is.

I thought his conclusions were: more expensive does not equal more accurate but less recoil does.

Not a conclusion but a point of emphasis was that 20 round groups gave better data and looking at how many shots /20 fit in 1moa was better way to look at a rifles accuracy than 3 or 5 shot groups.

I think he picked a "winner" in five categories or so, but he was not trying to say buy a tikka or a bergara or a sig. It was just an example of how we should be looking at rifle accuracy data. People can then apply that to their own rifles to make choices about the guns in their own safe.

So yeah, he has an accurate tikka, but I don't think he was trying to say people should buy tikkas. He was trying to say, this is how you should evaluate accuracy. Again, not a conclusion but a main point.

Just my opinion, maybe I'm the one that missed the point.

 

[streamerfish]

I applaud the effort....I think.

Honestly to me their just really isn't much to take from this. Just way too many variables that aren't being controlled. Fun thought exercise though.

If I was to take anything away from it, it's that you could add this data to the tons of other data that show the heavier/less recoil a rifle, the better it will shoot from a human factor.

And it does at least least hint towards cost not being a big indicator of accuracy from a factory hunting style rifle. Of which there seems to be enough info out there that I generally can buy into the theory.

Neither concept is new or earth shattering. Nice to see him/more people shooting larger groups to get more statistical viability.

 

[bnewt3]

He used custom hand loads for lots of rifles in the test. Possibly another flaw, but it is what it is.

I thought his conclusions were: more expensive does not equal more accurate but less recoil does.

Not a conclusion but a point of emphasis was that 20 round groups gave better data and looking at how many shots /20 fit in 1moa was better way to look at a rifles accuracy than 3 or 5 shot groups.

I think he picked a "winner" in five categories or so, but he was not trying to say buy a tikka or a bergara or a sig. It was just an example of how we should be looking at rifle accuracy data. People can then apply that to their own rifles to make choices about the guns in their own safe.

So yeah, he has an accurate tikka, but I don't think he was trying to say people should buy tikkas. He was trying to say, this is how you should evaluate accuracy. Again, not a conclusion but a main point.

Just my opinion, maybe I'm the one that missed the point.

generally agree.

-20-shot groups are a minimum for any statistical relevance
-generally lower felt recoil = more accurate
-until you get into purpose-built comp guns, there is some correlation between cost and accuracy but its not terribly strong.

Now on that last point, it should be said that there were very few truly entry-level guns in the test. For example, i think I only saw 1 Savage and it was a 110, so no Axis but there was a Stevens(and the Stevens outshot the 110 sooooooo). I dont think there was a patriot or Rem 783. That could change things quite a bit. or it may not. Would be nice to see.

 

[bnewt3]

the $3000 Bergara MG Lite being 3rd from the bottom......big oooofff