These are stiff, but I like them a lot for out here in AZ. I packed out three elk this past year, and two of them were in 20”+ of snow. My feet were damp at the end of each day, but without the snow, they would have been perfect. When going up steep grade with weight on my back, these dug in great. If they were a size bigger, I would buy another pair. Asolo boots fit my feet great.