Anyone paying attention to Michigan?

[craigrh13]

And screw this 'quiet time'! My favorite days in the woods are the week or so before gun season.

Well yeah. Hunters are a selfish bunch. I'm right there with you.

I wouldn't worry about any of this though based on talks earlier this morning.

 

[Rich M]

Talk to anyone who knows anything. less is more. More does doesn't equate to better herd health, bucks, etc.

Michigan is the worst in the midwest when it comes to hunters being obsessed with shooting bucks and not does. The data doesn't lie.

Where do you get your information? Got a 4 yr degree in game management?

I'm running with what I've seen since the 70's. In the mid 80s they shot all the does where I was hunting did a doe slaughter - shot my first deer during that, yes - a doe. Took 10 years to get first buck there. Had 16 day season, bucks only and I saw a buck in 1985, next one in 1996. Am not a fan of mass doe shooting.

Okay with doing it lil at a time to reach objectives but as we keep saying - they don't have the numbers - so no-one knows what the objectives are. They just say "shoot does!" Pretty lame.

This is happening in many states across the country. I hope this quiet time thing doesn't catch on. Absolutely no science other than less bucks getting killed.

 

[realunlucky]

Where do you get your information? Got a 4 yr degree in game management?

I'm running with what I've seen since the 70's. In the mid 80s they shot all the does where I was hunting did a doe slaughter - shot my first deer during that, yes - a doe. Took 10 years to get first buck there. Had 16 day season, bucks only and I saw a buck in 1985, next one in 1996. Am not a fan of mass doe shooting.

Okay with doing it lil at a time to reach objectives but as we keep saying - they don't have the numbers - so no-one knows what the objectives are. They just say "shoot does!" Pretty lame.

This is happening in many states across the country. I hope this quiet time thing doesn't catch on. Absolutely no science other than less bucks getting killed.

Did harvest across the board drop to dismal numbers matching your personal observations?

I don't trust any hunter who thinks thier 10 days in the field a year gives them more knowledge than the across the board collective data. Now if the data has been manipulated to fit the narrative that's a far different concern.



Sent from my SM-S926U using Tapatalk

 

[craigrh13]

Did harvest across the board drop to dismal numbers matching your personal observations?

I don't trust any hunter who thinks thier 10 days in the field a year gives them more knowledge than the across the board collective data. Now if the data has been manipulated to fit the narrative that's a far different concern.



Sent from my SM-S926U using Tapatalk

THIS!!!! Every michigan hunter think their little piece of land is evidence of the bigger picture.

 

[craigrh13]

Where do you get your information? Got a 4 yr degree in game management?

I'm running with what I've seen since the 70's. In the mid 80s they shot all the does where I was hunting did a doe slaughter - shot my first deer during that, yes - a doe. Took 10 years to get first buck there. Had 16 day season, bucks only and I saw a buck in 1985, next one in 1996. Am not a fan of mass doe shooting.

Okay with doing it lil at a time to reach objectives but as we keep saying - they don't have the numbers - so no-one knows what the objectives are. They just say "shoot does!" Pretty lame.

This is happening in many states across the country. I hope this quiet time thing doesn't catch on. Absolutely no science other than less bucks getting killed.

Slaughter? No. Shoot 1 a year. Yes!

 

[skeeterboudrock]

my grandfather was from central mi., 15 mi west of Alma. My brother and I bow hunted there for 20 years. We hunted his 45 ac, his boss' 100 ac, and some other relatives land outside of Cadillac. We met some yanks at a bow shop 30 yrs ago, and are still friends. Anyway, our MI friends(2 brothers from Alma) took us 'shining' during bow season. Here in Texas we call it spotlighting. After that night, my brother refused to ever hunt in MI again! We saw hundreds and hundreds of deer across Gratiot county, about 1 buck for every 100 does. Not a single buck over 115", and he refuses to go back. A lot of folks up there, like some s. tx 'natives', would rather shoot a yearling spike, or 1 1/2 yr old 4 pt than a mature doe, just to say they 'got a buck'

 

[craigrh13]

my grandfather was from central mi., 15 mi west of Alma. My brother and I bow hunted there for 20 years. We hunted his 45 ac, his boss' 100 ac, and some other relatives land outside of Cadillac. We met some yanks at a bow shop 30 yrs ago, and are still friends. Anyway, our MI friends(2 brothers from Alma) took us 'shining' during bow season. Here in Texas we call it spotlighting. After that night, my brother refused to ever hunt in MI again! We saw hundreds and hundreds of deer across Gratiot county, about 1 buck for every 100 does. Not a single buck over 115", and he refuses to go back. A lot of folks up there, like some s. tx 'natives', would rather shoot a yearling spike, or 1 1/2 yr old 4 pt than a mature doe, just to say they 'got a buck'

You sum up the average Michigan buyer very well. Yet many will swear they see more bucks than does or there's more bucks than does in the population. There's so much ignorance up here it's embarrassing.