First time in my life that I was fooled by an old mature bugle this year. He was a 3 x spike (long spike) but had a huge body. I'm thinking he really was a mature bull, but has some form of genetic defect. I have NEVER heard a raghorn sound like a mature bull, but I have heard mature bulls sound a little wispy.....at least to start. By the time things get ramped up, they're always in full on deep gutteral mode.