Another dad gum rifle caliber question.

[Jimbob]

30-06 with 165 grain accubonds for me. I am moving to BC from Ontario and I don't feel for one second that I don't have enough gun.

 

[rileybassman]

I have heard... that the 300WM, 30-06, .308 debate, is less about killing power as it is range...

Take a 168 grn bullet, a .308 will do at 300 (yards), what a 06 will do at 350-375ish and a 300 WM will do the same at 400-450ish (substitute a stout WSM).

That is how I view it... killing power is similar, just the distance you get said power varies. Under 200, it's gonna be a wash more then likely.

YMMV

 

[HOGSJL]

I envy the one rifle hunter.

I am actually thinking of thinning the herd now.

I think the 30-06 would be the one if it had to be just one. It can be used near to far. Find ammo in the walmart anywhere. You don't need to put a brake on it if you don't want to.

 

[16Bore]

I have heard... that the 300WM, 30-06, .308 debate, is less about killing power as it is range...

Take a 168 grn bullet, a .308 will do at 300 (yards), what a 06 will do at 350-375ish and a 300 WM will do the same at 400-450ish (substitute a stout WSM).

That is how I view it... killing power is similar, just the distance you get said power varies. Under 200, it's gonna be a wash more then likely.

YMMV

100% how I see it.

 

[tttoadman]

Don't discount the .270. cheap and easy to shoot. plenty of energy for an elk out to 500yds. I shoot the 130TTSX in my .270. My brother has been shooting the 168TTSX in his 06 for a few years and is really pleased.

I should add. I am not a gun guy. I bought a 300WM in 1998, and that was my one gun until I swapped out for something lighter. I bought the .270 Tikka and I haven't really seen a difference when it comes to hitting and killing animals. This will likely be the only gun I ever take anywhere.

 

[backcountry_hunter]

I have heard... that the 300WM, 30-06, .308 debate, is less about killing power as it is range...

Take a 168 grn bullet, a .308 will do at 300 (yards), what a 06 will do at 350-375ish and a 300 WM will do the same at 400-450ish (substitute a stout WSM).

That is how I view it... killing power is similar, just the distance you get said power varies. Under 200, it's gonna be a wash more then likely.

YMMV

While there's plenty of merit to what you said here, I would argue (just to play devils advocate) that 90% or more of recreational hunters/shooters will shoot the 308 more accurately at 500yds than the 300wm. So then you have to question (bullet performance aside) which one is more lethal.

 

[1signguy]

While there's plenty of merit to what you said here, I would argue (just to play devils advocate) that 90% or more of recreational hunters/shooters will shoot the 308 more accurately at 500yds than the 300wm. So then you have to question (bullet performance aside) which one is more lethal.

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For me- I generally grab either a 308, 270 or even 270WSM with a muzzle brake (the ammo price is higher with the 270WSM but how many rounds are you really going to send...) These are more than enough gun for what you are hunting and I would argue more lethal for most hunters... The 06 would be right there with them but my preference has always been the 308 over the 06 because I just plain shoot it better...

 

[ben h]

Tough question. If I had to pick 1 it would be the 300wm. The 30-06 is a great round for deer and elk, but I wouldn't use it on moose, bison brown bear. I'm sure it would work with the right hits, but I doubt you'll care having a little more punch and reach. The rounds are not as readily available, but we're probably talking about 100 rounds per year (if you practice) so it's pretty negligible compared to all your other expenses. Every hunt I've ever been on, ammo, even the best ammo is probably the cheapest part. I don't see why anyone would want to "save" in the ammo department.

Enough of these caliber questions, I want to hear about these college girls.

 

[TexanSam]

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Enough of these caliber questions, I want to hear about these college girls.

I save those for my favorite duck hunting forum since it seems a little more uh... "professional" around here lol


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[Beendare]

Tikka T3X Lite or Ultralite in -06. ...... and you are set.

^Agreed. For the $$....its tough to beat.

 

[mtnwrunner]

Tikka t3 in an oh six. All you will ever need.

Randy

 

[couesbitten]

I save those for my favorite duck hunting forum since it seems a little more uh... "professional" around here lol

Can we please get a link to this forum?!

 

[hodgeman]

Any 30-06 or 300 will do the job. The .300 isn't terribly hard to shoot and the recoil isn't as bad a people say it is. I like the .270 and 7-08 but once you start talking moose and bears, they're on the shy side for my taste.

Pick the one you want and rock on.

 

[WV Mountaineer]

Well, here's another '06 guy. I've owned the 300WSM and sold it and 20 boxes of federal premium ammo. I've owned/own every cartridge recommended except the 280 AI. The '06 will do it all and, aside from light weight bullets, will do it as good as anything else. I have a R22 load for a 180gn bullets pumping out at 2900 fps out of a 22 inch barrel. Cut the barrels on the .308 magnum calibers back to 22 inches and, see where they are shooting the 180 grain loads. Factory loaded '06's are loaded way under pressure. So, a handloader can really pop this caliber into magnum velocity's if desired. Or, you can just shoot factory loads and be happy with what you got It's a hammer either way. I read an article once about African hunting and, it said the most hunted caliber in 'Africa is the '06.. They won't carry a pea shooter over there.



God Bless

 

[16Bore]

While there's plenty of merit to what you said here, I would argue (just to play devils advocate) that 90% or more of recreational hunters/shooters will shoot the 308 more accurately at 500yds than the 300wm. So then you have to question (bullet performance aside) which one is more lethal.

A well placed bullet will always win...

 

[rileybassman]

While there's plenty of merit to what you said here, I would argue (just to play devils advocate) that 90% or more of recreational hunters/shooters will shoot the 308 more accurately at 500yds than the 300wm. So then you have to question (bullet performance aside) which one is more lethal.

Exactly... which is kind of the point I was trying to make - there isn't as much real life, practical - sub 300 yard difference as we would like to think, so go with the one you shoot best

 

[Shooter19802003]

Exactly... which is kind of the point I was trying to make - there isn't as much real life, practical - sub 300 yard difference as we would like to think, so go with the one you shoot best

A well placed bullet will always win...

This. I see a lot of folks who are over-gunned and can't shoot for nothing. Either they can't afford to shoot their ultra cool caliber or there is too much recoil or they flinch, but they had to have it because that is what everybody says he needed. Find a gun you like, that fits you, that won't beat the crap out of you, one that you can afford to shoot and go shoot it. Guns are a personal thing, get the one you want and practice with it and don't listen to the hype.

 

[16Bore]

Smartest thing I did was make 330 yards my maximum distance for hunting and quit reloading. Life is so easy.

I still play to 500 with the 223 though.

 

[Jimbob]

People think they need a 300 wm for moose and it is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. If you WANT a 300 for moose then sure but it is NOT NEEDED.

At the range two years ago I had a guy show up with his brand new Browning BLR .300 WM, his new moose gun. He took a couple shots at 100 to get it sighted in then set up a watermelon at 150 yds. He was seated shooting off a bench and he could NOT hit the watermelon. He packed up and said he was ready for the season. That guy certainly didn't need a .300 ha ha.

Now of course a .300 will give you so more pop but don't think you need to have it. Like mentioned above distance that you want to shoot and your ability to accurately shoot the gun are more important factors than what the caliber is capable of.

 

[ericF]

Here are the numbers from Midway comparing like to like. You get 120 fps going from 308 to 30-06, but gain 330 fps going to 300 win mag from 30-06. If you are concerned about the recoil and the cost of ammo, my choice would be a 30-06. You can always download for smaller game such as deer with the 30-06, but you can also go with something heavier like a partition for Bear. I would personally want a 30-06 as the minimum for bear and moose. For elk, within 200 yards you won't notice much of a difference using the following loads in each gun. I've used both 30-06 and 300 WSM for elk and have not noticed a big difference.

308 Winchester Barnes 168gr TTSX $43
Muzzle Velocity: 2680 fps
Muzzle Energy: 2680 ft lbs

30-06 Barnes 168 gr TTSX $43
Muzzle Velocity: 2800 fps
Muzzle Energy: 2925 ft lbs

300 Win Mag Barnes 165gr TTSX $50
Muzzle Velocity: 3130 fps
Muzzle Energy: 3590 ft lb