American Prairie loses grazing rights

[Gila]

I just read this whole thread and wow, I will say this; one side has really, really dominated this game. I came into it with an open mind and it didn't take long to figure out who was right and who was completely struggling. One side has provided facts and one side has not. One side has contradicted itself and the other has not. One side has made outlandish claims and the other has not. In sports vernacular, this was a blowout and a shutout. The score is about 100-0.

I really enjoyed the claim that bison run off elk, deer, and pronghorn. I am trying to wrap my mind around a bull bison running down a pronghorn. I have been to Lamar Valley and seen them grazing next to each other.

@WRO, you did an outstanding job pinning these outlandish claims to the mat. You have a decisive victory. Your questions are never answered, yet you have stayed calm and rational. Great job.

long covid?

 

[IdahoBeav]

long covid?

It’s wild that you would mention another subject in which your take is absolutely delusional and devoid of supporting facts

But you do you

 

[Gila]

It’s wild that you would mention another subject in which your take is absolutely delusional and devoid of supporting facts

But you do you

I have supplied all of the facts. If you can’t read ‘em or understand ‘em then that isn’t my problem!

 

[MT_Wyatt]

I have supplied all of the facts. If you can’t read ‘em or understand ‘em then that isn’t my problem!

You’ve done very little but copy/paste anything you can throw at this. Truly wondering what the point is. Gloating? Convincing folks to join the anti APR bandwagon? Drum up division? None of it feels genuine, mainly because of how you’re going about it, which is just confusing and non-cohesive.

The 1-liner response posts seem like they carry some weight or some argument that’s evident to only you, as if you’re making some inference. But it isn’t there? The stuff you’ve copied in really hasn’t done well to support the argument they should have grazing rights removed, which is the subject. But we’re not actually having a conversation here anyways. No one is changing your mind (based on some past posting); people are just responding to what in their views or experience are bad arguments. I don’t take it as all that genuine unfortunately.

I’ve learned some in reading this so I appreciate you bringing it up. I’m not sure I can honestly articulate what your point is aside from you still do not like APR. They certainly aren’t perfect and the coastal donor concept doesn’t do them any favors from a PR standpoint. It’s unfortunate Bison are still so politicized, and that it takes such a fight, willpower, and investment just to try and park a herd on the landscape (again).

 

[Marbles]

Specifically, @Gila what have you done for ranchers or conservation in Montana????

Well, he made sure he got a break on his property taxes to reduce the money available to his local community of ranchers.

Case in point. I bought property in the middle of open range prairie that was fenced. The county assessed my grazing property at the higher improved value because of the fence. I appealed on the basis that the grazing property should be assessed the same value as the surrounding open range. I won the appeal but if it was a border or boundary fence I probably wouldn’t have won.

 

[johnnycake]

With each new post by @Gila I'm more suspicious that he's actually a bot with particularly inept coding

 

[Gila]

people are just responding to what in their views or experience are bad arguments. I don’t take it as all that genuine unfortunately.

It would be a good thing if more people would participate on this thread in that way. It’s called healthy debate which isn’t a bad thing. However the intention with some people here is to gaslight, and if you notice most of their comments are totally in left field, irrelevant to the subject at hand…their replies only end up being personal attacks and insults. Constructive criticism about the subject matter is welcome but there hasn’t been enough of that.

 

[Gila]

Well, he made sure he got a break on his property taxes to reduce the money available to his local community of ranchers.

That’s just stupid…so tell me you wouldn’t appeal if you were charged more for property tax than you were supposed to.

There you go, another ad-hominem personal attack! That just makes you look dumb!

 

[johnnycake]

Still waiting on answers to my questions to you in posts 53, 59, and 104. You've had +3 weeks and yet crickets. Only after you clearly obfuscated and evaded all of my questions did I choose to get snarky.

 

[Marbles]

There you go, another ad-hominem personal attack! That just makes you look dumb!

The irony of the first and second sentences being seriously placed in the same paragraph made me grin.

That’s just stupid…so tell me you wouldn’t appeal if you were charged more for property tax than you were supposed to.

I just pay my property taxes and don't dig into the assessment. Yours turned a
on an arguable point, not an actual error in assessment.

But, in the end, it is something you actually did, which specifically effects ranchers in your community and thus is related to the quest asked, which you have not answered, by the way.

Very amusingly, most of your arguments against AP actually are ad hominem attacks making wild claims and attacking people associated with the organization rather than addressing the alleged issue you started this thread to discuss or the much better arguments made against your grossly false assertions.