American Prairie loses grazing rights

[Big Sky Guy]

The level of dishonesty in this thread is appalling.

After the Mike Lee debacle last year, I’m continually reminded that the lowest common denominator, in the midst of all the infighting and disagreements on how this land should be used for that and that land for this, at the end of the day the biggest win for public lands is that they haven’t been sold and are still here for us to discuss.

 

[WRO]

The level of dishonesty in this thread is appalling.

Typical for the op..


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[Gila]

Off to a win for the new year…not bad. About time though.

I wouldn’t count on AP getting much more land anytime soon. They were outbidding the locals on estate sales and the sellers couldn’t back out because of the commission fees. They are going to private auctions now so the sellers can sell to their neighbors and lease holders. They still get top dollar for their land and the lease holders can continue to keep their grazing leases in their portfolio. Like I said before, the local ranchers/farmers look out for each other and determine their own economy as it has been and will continue to be.

 

[Jpsmith1]

The level of dishonesty in this thread is appalling.

I think OP has an agenda and is flinging everything at the wall rather than honestly engaging

 

[Q_Sertorius]

The level of dishonesty in this thread is appalling.

Well, now you see what kind of nonsense this administration believed when they made this decision.

 

[WoolOverAll]

local ranchers/farmers look out for each other and determine their own economy as it has been and will continue to be.

The irony of this while they are fully reliant on government subsidies and sweetheart deals is lost on you I'm sure.

 

[CMF]

Rancher welfare? Dude get a grip!

This sounds a little like welfare to me

Some areas up there are in need of restoration but it is acres per cow, not cows per acre. Some ranches might lease some land to two or three of the neighbors. People out East can’t get their arms around the concept of open range with cattle that might have three or four different brands. The local ranchers determine their own economy and help each other out. I live in the middle of 50K of open range. The fence around my place is to keep cattle out. If you took a million acres from us, our regional economy maybe the entire state economy would collapse. There is no way on God’s great green earth could we graze bison and survive

 

[Jason Snyder]

Off to a win for the new year…not bad. About time though.

I wouldn’t count on AP getting much more land anytime soon. They were outbidding the locals on estate sales and the sellers couldn’t back out because of the commission fees. They are going to private auctions now so the sellers can sell to their neighbors and lease holders. They still get top dollar for their land and the lease holders can continue to keep their grazing leases in their portfolio. Like I said before, the local ranchers/farmers look out for each other and determine their own economy as it has been and will continue to be.

I’m not sure how your conscience allows you to lie like you do.

According to Beth Saboe, senior external relations manager with the American Prairie Reserve, the owner of Blue Ridge ranch contacted the organization a few months ago about selling the property.

The group purchased Anchor Ranch, formerly owned by Texas billionaires the Wilks Brothers. It was listed for about $36 million. American Prairie declined to disclose the purchase price.

The organization was working with landholder Dusty Schwenke to acquire the parcel before he unexpectedly passed away last month, American Prairie said. It worked with Schwenke’s family in the past, continued the acquisition process with his estate and finalized the purchase “in accordance with Dusty’s wishes,” American Prairie said.

Edited to add, public hunting is allowed on APR properties.

 

[WRO]

I think OP has an agenda and is flinging everything at the wall rather than honestly engaging

Reminds me of monkeys at the zoo.

 

[Gila]

This isn’t just about AP or Montana. It’s about all of the Western states that graze cattle. Yes I want the FAMILY local cattle ranches to do well so we can hunt there. Montana has quite a bit of public lands, states like South Dakota do not. In South Dakota, 85% of the Deer, Pronghorn and elk hunting is done on family owned cattle ranches that are open to public hunting. In South Dakota over 1.2 million acres are open to public hunting for these species, not just 80K acres.. The ranchers get dollars per acre from the State to open for hunting.

There are oligarchs trying to exploit South Dakota as well. Turner got hold of some prime mule deer land (seems to be his thing these days). Go to Turner Ent. Web in South Dakota. They state that “hunting is Exclusive”.

Now it’s time for me to switch gears to address “Outfitter Welfare” in New Mexico, yet another Socialist idea.

 

[WRO]

This isn’t just about AP or Montana. It’s about all of the Western states that graze cattle. Yes I want the FAMILY local cattle ranches to do well so we can hunt there. Montana has quite a bit of public lands, states like South Dakota do not. In South Dakota, 85% of the Deer, Pronghorn and elk hunting is done on family owned cattle ranches that are open to public hunting. In South Dakota over 1.2 million acres are open to public hunting for these species, not just 80K acres.. The ranchers get dollars per acre from the State to open for hunting.

There are oligarchs trying to exploit South Dakota as well. Turner got hold of some prime mule deer land (seems to be his thing these days). Go to Turner Ent. Web in South Dakota. They state that “hunting is Exclusive”.

Now it’s time for me to switch gears to address “Outfitter Welfare” in New Mexico, yet another Socialist idea.

Subsidized ranching, not socialist, free market selling to tags, socialist. Ted Turner spending his own money on private land?? is this socialist or capitalist, I’m so confused here.

I should probably stick to playing checkers with chickens as it seems to make more sense.

 

[Sandhills]

This isn’t just about AP or Montana. It’s about all of the Western states that graze cattle. Yes I want the FAMILY local cattle ranches to do well so we can hunt there. Montana has quite a bit of public lands, states like South Dakota do not. In South Dakota, 85% of the Deer, Pronghorn and elk hunting is done on family owned cattle ranches that are open to public hunting. In South Dakota over 1.2 million acres are open to public hunting for these species, not just 80K acres.. The ranchers get dollars per acre from the State to open for hunting.

There are oligarchs trying to exploit South Dakota as well. Turner got hold of some prime mule deer land (seems to be his thing these days). Go to Turner Ent. Web in South Dakota. They state that “hunting is Exclusive”.

Now it’s time for me to switch gears to address “Outfitter Welfare” in New Mexico, yet another Socialist idea.

Turner bought some prime Sandhills real estate too.

 

[Gila]

Subsidized ranching, not socialist, free market selling to tags, socialist. Ted Turner spending his own money on private land?? is this socialist or capitalist, I’m so confused here.

I should probably stick to playing checkers with chickens as it seems to make more sense.

Obviously…

 

[johnnycake]

 

[WRO]

Obviously…

 

[WRO]

‘Affirmative Action for Cattle.’ Tribes Challenge Fed's Plan to Revoke Bison-Grazing Leases on Public Land

After the BLM announced it would revoke some bison-grazing leases, American Prairie and dozens of tribes say it sets a dangerous precedent.

www.outdoorlife.com

Looks like the tribes are sueing which is great news.


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[Gila]

‘Affirmative Action for Cattle.’ Tribes Challenge Fed's Plan to Revoke Bison-Grazing Leases on Public Land

After the BLM announced it would revoke some bison-grazing leases, American Prairie and dozens of tribes say it sets a dangerous precedent.

www.outdoorlife.com

Looks like the tribes are sueing which is great news.


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The tribes are not suing. There is a letter of support by several tribes gathered by EarthJustice and Center for Biological Diversity. Years ago AP in Montana went out and signed up some 50 tribes (of about 500 tribes in the USA) to support their agenda to raise bison on acquired private lands in Montana. In return those Tribes were given bison (or other compensation) from AP. Like I stated before, many of those tribal members eventually acquired deeded acres with BLM allotments around reservation and trust lands.

Those Tribal members with private ranches are engaged in cattle ranching and farming. They could give a rat’s patootie about bison. Those BLM allotments attached to the Tribal member’s private ranches all graze cattle and always have. Clarence Mortensen was a Cheyenne River Sioux Tribal member who acquired such a property. I don’t think Clarence ever had any BLM leases for his cattle. He definitely had nothing to do with bison.

As I stated before the Tribal members went into cattle ranching and farming to survive long ago. Most of the reservations have their small “pet herds” of bison which are slaughtered and fed to the Reservation residents. Some of those bison are sold to slaughter houses. Cheyenne River has received bison from AP. Apparently Cheyenne River has a few hundred head today. Outdoor life has turned into a liberal propaganda rag. Such a shame. Hunting and fishing, trapping used to be a bi-partisan partnership.

So are you a lawdog for EarthJustice or Center for Biological Diversity? You obviously support those groups because you certainly have on this thread.

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Distribution of Bison​

Bison are present on numerous reservations, with some notable examples including:

Fort Peck Indian Reservation	Montana	400
Rosebud Sioux Tribe	South Dakota	1,000+
Blackfeet Nation	Montana	25
CSKT Bison Range	Montana	500
Fort Belknap Reservation	Montana	200

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ESTIMATED BISON COUNT​

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[tipsntails7]

Gila, whether you like it or not, the BLM is going outside their regs, and definitions they have used for decades.

You can hate AP, or Bison or whatever else your issue is. You should still have a problem with government agencies changing how they operate based off nothing but a new “definition” that doesn’t appear in the legislation itself.

AP played the game that was set before them, by rules not set by them, and has met every requirement and obligation required of them for these grazing leases. Everyone bitching has a problem with that because cattle ranches can’t sustain themselves without government hand outs.

Montana wanted to delegate them as livestock, not AP’s problem they followed the rules in an open and fair market.

It’s just bullshit government over reach at this point and you know it.

 

[Sandhills]

Gila, whether you like it or not, the BLM is going outside their regs, and definitions they have used for decades.

You can hate AP, or Bison or whatever else your issue is. You should still have a problem with government agencies changing how they operate based off nothing but a new “definition” that doesn’t appear in the legislation itself.

AP played the game that was set before them, by rules not set by them, and has met every requirement and obligation required of them for these grazing leases. Everyone bitching has a problem with that because cattle ranches can’t sustain themselves without government hand outs.

Montana wanted to delegate them as livestock, not AP’s problem they followed the rules in an open and fair market.

It’s just bullshit government over reach at this point and you know it.

They're not livestock under BLMs definition. Simple as that. BLM is following their own rules

 

[WRO]

The tribes are not suing. There is a letter of support by several tribes gathered by EarthJustice and Center for Biological Diversity. Years ago AP in Montana went out and signed up some 50 tribes (of about 500 tribes in the USA) to support their agenda to raise bison on acquired private lands in Montana. In return those Tribes were given bison (or other compensation) from AP. Like I stated before, many of those tribal members eventually acquired deeded acres with BLM allotments around reservation and trust lands.

Those Tribal members with private ranches are engaged in cattle ranching and farming. They could give a rat’s patootie about bison. Those BLM allotments attached to the Tribal member’s private ranches all graze cattle and always have. Clarence Mortensen was a Cheyenne River Sioux Tribal member who acquired such a property. I don’t think Clarence ever had any BLM leases for his cattle. He definitely had nothing to do with bison.

As I stated before the Tribal members went into cattle ranching and farming to survive long ago. Most of the reservations have their small “pet herds” of bison which are slaughtered and fed to the Reservation residents. Some of those bison are sold to slaughter houses. Cheyenne River has received bison from AP. Apparently Cheyenne River has a few hundred head today. Outdoor life has turned into a liberal propaganda rag. Such a shame. Hunting and fishing, trapping used to be a bi-partisan partnership.

So are you a lawdog for EarthJustice or Center for Biological Diversity? You obviously support those groups because you certainly have on this thread.

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Distribution of Bison​

Bison are present on numerous reservations, with some notable examples including:

Fort Peck Indian Reservation	Montana	400
Rosebud Sioux Tribe	South Dakota	1,000+
Blackfeet Nation	Montana	25
CSKT Bison Range	Montana	500
Fort Belknap Reservation	Montana	200

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ESTIMATED BISON COUNT

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They’re absolutely going to sue.

Secondly, where your wrong again, is that the bison are on reservations currently are from Yellowstone, they go to the crow to a holding facility and then are relocated once they test clear for brucellosis.

I support the right causes regardless of whom else supports them, I like intact ecosystems, clean water, and sometimes those things correlate with having others support them I don’t see eye to eye with.

Bison are an Icon of the west and regardless of your drivel, I’m guessing the vast majority of native Americans support their return to the landscape.