American Prairie loses grazing rights

[WRO]

They’re also incredibly delicious. Hunted Bison in the book cliffs roadless area. Saw elk, deer, bison etc.. landscape looked better than cattle grazed and the elk and deer didn’t seem to mind. Make grazing native ungulates great again. MGNUGA.

I killed one this year in Montana on a Rez, wasn’t a hard hunt, but seeing bison on the prairie will forever stick in my mind. Amazing animals that have been completely screwed over by the ranching communities greed.

I’d trade a 100 public land cattle for each wild bison we could get back on the landscape.

 

[Gila]

I killed one this year in Montana on a Rez, wasn’t a hard hunt, but seeing bison on the prairie will forever stick in my mind. Amazing animals that have been completely screwed over by the ranching communities greed.

I’d trade a 100 public land cattle for each wild bison we could get back on the landscape.

You will see a “pet” herd on many reservations. But trying to put buffalo back on the prairie can’t and won’t happen. You would have to eradicate the cattle ranches, and that can’t and won’t happen either. The Buffalo Commons Movement and this boob tube prairie re-wilding scheme with grizzlies, wolves and buffalo is a pipe dream!

Most of the Tribes moved to cattle ranching and farming. They had to, to survive. Clarence Mortensen was a tribal member, he never had nor did he ever want to have bison on his property. If there are federal BLM and NFS land managers that don’t already use the Mortensen Principles, then they should.

Like I said I haven’t heard of any sizable buffalo herds on any reservations beyond Rosebud. Rosebud has tried to maintain a herd for over 40 years now. Back in the 80s Catalina island in California sold some bison to Rosebud that were supposed to be genetically viable. Those bison were so inbred and riddled with disease that they had to be destroyed. American Prairie did give Rosebud some buffalo been a number of years ago. I don’t remember how many or when exactly. If I remember correctly, those bison originally came from Canada.

 

[WoolOverAll]

You will see a “pet” herd on many reservations. But trying to put buffalo back on the prairie can’t and won’t happen. You would have to eradicate the cattle ranches, and that can’t and won’t happen either. The Buffalo Commons Movement and this boob tube prairie re-wilding scheme with grizzlies, wolves and buffalo is a pipe dream!

Can you elaborate on why you think attempting to reintroduce native species and revitalize habitats is something we should not support as a hunting community? Looking at the two options, I prefer the chance of having natural wild habitats to hunt over having more cattle.

We are talking about public land and I believe reintroducing native species benefits the public more than grazing a few more cattle.

 

[johnnycake]

Once you understand the system and why we have checkerboards to begin with, you won’t whine about lease fees.

I'm very familiar with why we have the checkerboard system. I wrote more than one paper on that exact topic in law school. Based on your posts here, I doubt you do.

Why do you think the incentives provided to the railroad companies ~150 years ago has anything to do with why ranchers today should be massively subsidized by the government(aka, the taxpayers) for grazing their private animals on public lands?

 

[PLhunter]

You will see a “pet” herd on many reservations. But trying to put buffalo back on the prairie can’t and won’t happen. You would have to eradicate the cattle ranches, and that can’t and won’t happen either. The Buffalo Commons Movement and this boob tube prairie re-wilding scheme with grizzlies, wolves and buffalo is a pipe dream!

Most of the Tribes moved to cattle ranching and farming. They had to, to survive. Clarence Mortensen was a tribal member, he never had nor did he ever want to have bison on his property. If there are federal BLM and NFS land managers that don’t already use the Mortensen Principles, then they should.

Like I said I haven’t heard of any sizable buffalo herds on any reservations beyond Rosebud. Rosebud has tried to maintain a herd for over 40 years now. Back in the 80s Catalina island in California sold some bison to Rosebud that were supposed to be genetically viable. Those bison were so inbred and riddled with disease that they had to be destroyed. American Prairie did give Rosebud some buffalo been a number of years ago. I don’t remember how many or when exactly. If I remember correctly, those bison originally came from Canada.

Putting buffalo back on the prairie would require us to do horrible things. Like interconnect fragmented habitats and restore grasslands. Yuck!

Also there are totally viable wild bison herds. Whatchu goin on about gila?

 

[PLhunter]

Corn farmers put cattle out in a picked cornfield after harvest…


Let’s go back to understanding why we have a checkerboard to begin with.

Why is it too difficult to understand that Elk, Deer and Pronghorn tolerate cattle better than bison?

Bison aren’t bad for the landscape if there is enough landscape for them to roam on. This whole “re-wilding” thing is a wrecking ball!

Wait…. Aren’t you a hunter? A hunter of wild animals? And creating more wild animals and places for animals is a wrecking ball? Sure about that?

 

[WRO]

You will see a “pet” herd on many reservations. But trying to put buffalo back on the prairie can’t and won’t happen. You would have to eradicate the cattle ranches, and that can’t and won’t happen either. The Buffalo Commons Movement and this boob tube prairie re-wilding scheme with grizzlies, wolves and buffalo is a pipe dream!

Most of the Tribes moved to cattle ranching and farming. They had to, to survive. Clarence Mortensen was a tribal member, he never had nor did he ever want to have bison on his property. If there are federal BLM and NFS land managers that don’t already use the Mortensen Principles, then they should.

Like I said I haven’t heard of any sizable buffalo herds on any reservations beyond Rosebud. Rosebud has tried to maintain a herd for over 40 years now. Back in the 80s Catalina island in California sold some bison to Rosebud that were supposed to be genetically viable. Those bison were so inbred and riddled with disease that they had to be destroyed. American Prairie did give Rosebud some buffalo been a number of years ago. I don’t remember how many or when exactly. If I remember correctly, those bison originally came from Canada.

You never cease to amaze me with stupid takes..

Restoring sections of the prairie to its natural state with native wildlife should be a goal.

Instead you’re advocating for its continued destruction at 1.60 an aum for a few wealthy ranchers.

 

[johnnycake]

You never cease to amaze me with stupid takes..

Restoring sections of the prairie to its natural state with native wildlife should be a goal.

Instead you’re advocating for its continued destruction at 1.60 an aum for a few wealthy ranchers.

*$1.35

Those poor welfare ranchers could never afford to pay that extra 30 cents per cow/calf pair!

 

[Stache Attack]

Buffalo need to be contained or they will wreck fences and the land scape. Also Elk, Pronghorn and Mule deer tend to leave when bison show up. Wildlife comes back when the buffalo leave. Been that way for thousands of years before the buffalo were extirpated from the landscape. Wildlife has learned to co-exist with cattle though. Now with corner crossing, there will be more “hunt-able” BLM lands.

You going to be the one to corner cross down there?

 

[goathunter]

Most of the tribes could care less about bison because they are mostly farmers and cattle ranchers themselves.

"Most?' Here's something I've never seen in my life - farming and ranching tribes. What tribe are we talking about? Are they in the AP zone? And they don't care about bison? Did they tell you this?

 

[goathunter]

An observation - I often see public leased ground grazed down completely, leaving no feed for elk. And if the rancher leases outfitting - their grass on the other side of the fence is high. Pretty interesting... I don't think this would happen with open interconnected range the APR is trying to make happen.

So I dispute "Elk, Pronghorn and Mule deer tend to leave when bison show up." - @Gila

They tend to follow the feed.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

"Most?' Here's something I've never seen in my life - farming and ranching tribes. What tribe are we talking about? Are they in the AP zone? And they don't care about bison? Did they tell you this?

He’s just making this stuff up.

 

[CJ19]

So grazing leases are subsidized by tax payers so beef can be produced on them? and APR is buying these leases and not producing beef on them? So someone complained and it went through the BLM internal adjudication process through which it was determined that APR was not producing beef as was intended for these leases. I am seeing people say APR will just buy deed acreage instead. So exactly is the problem? Are grazing leases subsidized by tax payers to produce beef or not?