American Prairie loses grazing rights

[Axlrod]

Some outdoor writers support ARP and are politically motivated so I’m not really impressed with their “numbers”.

Please tell me you have more than that to dispute those numbers?
If ARP isn't leasing out 500000 acres to cattle ranchers, how much are they?

 

[2531usmc]

his point was that federal grazing lands are for production animals used to benefit the public with food.....in this case it was for personal use so in essence taking unfair advantage of taxpayers.

Sure sounds that way

 

[Gila]

This.

Things can be inherently valuable just because they exist, without providing a monetary profit for someone.

This is an important idea that I fear we lose more and more every day.

Maybe…but I am one of those that if I can’t hunt and fish, eat the beef and wear the wool produced on the land then it is worthless to me. Simply because I am not getting the benefits from the taxes I pay.

 

[molliesmaster]

I’m still lost? How are bison bad for the landscape? Or any worse than cattle?

If ARP is paying what is owed to the govt for the grazing rights, what does it matter what they do with the animals? If they sell off one bison for slaughter would that change anything?

If it makes a difference, I like cows on the landscape. If I was holding the clipboard, I’d see corn subsidies go away and we would put more grazing cows out there to do their thing. Rotational grazing would be a requirement and native seeds would be encouraged.

But I can’t see how an org grazing bison is any different than some rancher grazing cattle. The whole running off elk/deer thing just seems like crap.


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[Montana Slim]

Maybe…but I am one of those that if I can’t hunt and fish, eat the beef and wear the wool produced on the land then it is worthless to me. Simply because I am not getting the benefits from the taxes I pay.

I would argue that this is amazingly short-sighted

 

[PLhunter]

That doesn’t really make any sense now does it? The buffalo are gone and their habitat is gone…that cannot be undone.

Well except for where they aren’t gone and where the habitat isn’t gone…. You know like in the example being discussed

 

[S.Clancy]

People, for the love of God, it's APR. I have no freaking clue what ARP is.

 

[molliesmaster]

People, for the love of God, it's APR. I have no freaking clue what ARP is.

I’m a victim of auto correct


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[Gila]

Corn farmers put cattle out in a picked cornfield after harvest…

I’m still lost? How are bison bad for the landscape? Or any worse than cattle?

If ARP is paying what is owed to the govt for the grazing rights, what does it matter what they do with the animals? If they sell off one bison for slaughter would that change anything?

If it makes a difference, I like cows on the landscape. If I was holding the clipboard, I’d see corn subsidies go away and we would put more grazing cows out there to do their thing. Rotational grazing would be a requirement and native seeds would be encouraged.

But I can’t see how an org grazing bison is any different than some rancher grazing cattle. The whole running off elk/deer thing just seems like crap.


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Let’s go back to understanding why we have a checkerboard to begin with.

Why is it too difficult to understand that Elk, Deer and Pronghorn tolerate cattle better than bison?

Bison aren’t bad for the landscape if there is enough landscape for them to roam on. This whole “re-wilding” thing is a wrecking ball!

 

[Gila]

People, for the love of God, it's APR. I have no freaking clue what ARP is.

Was American Prairie Reserve but they changed the name to American Prairie because people were freaking out about losing family ranches. I apologize for the fat finger

 

[Gila]

I would argue that this is amazingly short-sighted

Or realistic, depending on your point of view…

 

[molliesmaster]

Corn farmers put cattle out in a picked cornfield after harvest…


Let’s go back to understanding why we have a checkerboard to begin with.

Why is it too difficult to understand that Elk, Deer and Pronghorn tolerate cattle better than bison?

Bison aren’t bad for the landscape if there is enough landscape for them to roam on. This whole “re-wilding” thing is a wrecking ball!

Answering absolutely zero of the questions I asked. Nice.


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[Gila]

“Rotational grazing would be a requirement and native seeds would be encouraged.”

The Mortensen Principles should be encouraged and more often are.

 

[WRO]

Most of the tribes could care less about bison because they are mostly farmers and cattle ranchers themselves. But pay them enough and they will say anything you want to hear. Re-introduction is a contradication in terms because there is no place to put bison. The only American Indian effort I have seen to breed a sizable buffalo herd is Rosebud. They don’t have much land though something like 25K acres is all. Not much land for roaming bison. I am sure there are a few others that I don’t know about.

I don’t recall ANY bison herds that are bovine DNA free. ARP has come up with quite a bit of dis-information to justify their existence and appease their donors.



All that proves is that you are googling the subject.

Not really true, there’s reintroduction efforts on reservations across the west.

I had to google it because i thought i was missing something, should’ve realized who i was responding to.

Why are you so against this? Bison are a keystone native species that actually benefit hunters and the ecosystem.

 

[WRO]

Maybe…but I am one of those that if I can’t hunt and fish, eat the beef and wear the wool produced on the land then it is worthless to me. Simply because I am not getting the benefits from the taxes I pay.

Using this logic we should just turn it into a giant solar farm.

I spend 60+ days a year on blm land, training dogs, bird hunting, hiking etc. id love to fish some of those small streams but they’re mostly destroyed by grazing.

Do us all a favor, next time you walk by a tree, stop and apologize to it for wasting the oxygen it worked so hard to produce..

 

[Idahome12]

Ban all cattle/sheep grazing on public (my) land. Feds don’t monitor it hardly at all, the only time they even think about monitoring it is when I call and tell them the cows have eaten it down to about nothing. Then they have the gall to suggest the elk ate it down. Last year the sheep went through ate everything down to nothing, saw 2 deer where there was typically many. Sick of it! Bad part is it’s been that way for years…ranchers will say they are preventing bad wildfires. Hahahaha what a joke.

 

[Montana Slim]

Or realistic, depending on your point of view…

Just so we are clear - you need to personally benefit from it for something to have value?

 

[WRO]

Ban all cattle/sheep grazing on public (my) land. Feds don’t monitor it hardly at all, the only time they even think about monitoring it is when I call and tell them the cows have eaten it down to about nothing. Then they have the gall to suggest the elk ate it down. Last year the sheep went through ate everything down to nothing, saw 2 deer where there was typically many. Sick of it! Bad part is it’s been that way for years…ranchers will say they are preventing bad wildfires. Hahahaha what a joke.

No shit, they’re horrible in Idaho.

Domestic sheep have 0 place in our public lands.

The economic benefits are so small they’re negligible, yet we sacrifice our native bighorns for them.

 

[WoolOverAll]

It does not matter how much you appease the ranchers. They will always find something to complain about. I would much rather an attempt at bison restoration over some ranchers getting cheap graze land on my dime.

 

[PLhunter]

Not really true, there’s reintroduction efforts on reservations across the west.

I had to google it because i thought i was missing something, should’ve realized who i was responding to.

Why are you so against this? Bison are a keystone native species that actually benefit hunters and the ecosystem.

They’re also incredibly delicious. Hunted Bison in the book cliffs roadless area. Saw elk, deer, bison etc.. landscape looked better than cattle grazed and the elk and deer didn’t seem to mind. Make grazing native ungulates great again. MGNUGA.