Air Lock Industries Suppressor

[Bluefish]

The other thing with all this is that we now have SAAMI standards for how to test sound suppression. They are voluntary and some of their testing methodology is a bit absurd (e.g. 24' barrel length for non-magnum rifles), but I think it would behoove any manufacturer to at least start with the SAAMI setup as a testing point.

I expect the 24” barrel is specified as this usually the standard barrel length for speed. I agree it’s a bit out dated for testing silencers as most are running shorter barrels. Imho a 16 or 18” would have been a better choice for a standard. It would also push to have manufacturers rate/design cans for short barrels.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Gonna be great when you can private party sell these things easier/ cheaper. Much less of a critical decision on the initial purchase. If you do not like the suppression or sound, take a small hit and move on.

Are we going to be able to sell as a private party after 1/1? Seems like even if you file your paperwork yourself, you will still need to transfer it through a company that will charge a fee.

It would be awesome if we could file our paperwork then just box them up and send them to the buyer. What it it’s a local sale? Can we just hand it over after they get approved?

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Are we going to be able to sell as a private party after 1/1? Seems like even if you file your paperwork yourself, you will still need to transfer it through a company that will charge a fee.

It would be awesome if we could file our paperwork then just box them up and send them to the buyer. What it it’s a local sale? Can we just hand it over after they get approved?

It’s still a firearm, so those rules apply. And it still requires the Forms and Stamp, but the $200 cost for the stamp is going away.

 

[hibernation]

Gonna be great when you can private party sell these things easier/ cheaper. Much less of a critical decision on the initial purchase. If you do not like the suppression or sound, take a small hit and move on.

I really hope that this changes the market as a whole. Everyone's first suppressor is a "do-everything forever-purchase", because it's such a pain and you effectively can't resell it. As it gets easier to buy, try out, and resell, I hope we start to see more options for inexpensive and specific use-cases.

 

[Jbehredt]

That’s a lot to ask in the 2 years before the libs take Washington and adjust the original $200 stamp for inflation.

 

[hibernation]

That’s a lot to ask in the 2 years before the libs take Washington and adjust the original $200 stamp for inflation.

Gotta dream big. Unfounded optimism is what gets me through elk season every year.

 

[Tanner]

For sure. I've got a couple of TBAC cans that might be on their way out at some point.

If you’ve got an Ultra 5 on the chopping block lemme know

 

[gtriple]

If you’ve got an Ultra 5 on the chopping block lemme know

Might have 1 of each. We’ll see

 

[Escalante11]

@Danny

It’s louder than the 6.5 and 7mm but the form factor is incredible for what it delivers. It’s noticeably louder on a 22 Creed, yet still very usable for hunting. This is early testing, but we’ll post more updates as it’s proofed. It proves two things: the tech works, and it challenges the argument that volume wins.

@DannyB what would be the result if you increased the volumne of the dedicated 223 can to that of the Airlock 6.5? An Airlock 6.5 shell with the .223 bore diameter? I'm intrigued by your 223 can but also can't help but wonder how much more quiet it could potentially be if you utilized the same footprint as the Airlock 6.5 and bumped up the volumne. The Airlock 6.5 is already plenty small for most of us and would prefer even further suppression gains.

 

[Ajsomp]

Gonna be great when you can private party sell these things easier/ cheaper. Much less of a critical decision on the initial purchase. If you do not like the suppression or sound, take a small hit and move on.

I hope so. I have 6 suppressors taking up space I’d gladly move along to a willing buyer.

 

[gbflyer]

What I’m wondering is why a dealer needs to pay $500/yr for a SOT to collect a tax that no longer exists? Hopefully when the smoke clears suppressors will be transferred with a 4473 just like a firearm. That’s all we need, folks at BATF and IRS.

 

[Harvey_NW]

Are we going to be able to sell as a private party after 1/1? Seems like even if you file your paperwork yourself, you will still need to transfer it through a company that will charge a fee.

It would be awesome if we could file our paperwork then just box them up and send them to the buyer. What it it’s a local sale? Can we just hand it over after they get approved?

You can sell as a private party now, you just have to pay for the tax stamp. In state/private would just be a Form-4 transfer, so the buyer would pay the $200 tax stamp fee, SOT would facilitate and possibly charge a transfer fee (my local is $50), and that's it. Out of state would be Form-4 + tax stamp back to SOT, Form-3 transfer to buyers SOT, then Form-4 + tax stamp to them, plus any transfer fees.

So not ideal, but not impossible. And as I said, the lifetime purchase idea is a stigma that needs to die. Now with no tax stamp fee if you don't like your can you can list it locally, probably take a $150-200 hit offering to pay for the transfer fee and rid yourself of it, just like a used rifle.

 

[IDVortex]

What I’m wondering is why a dealer needs to pay $500/yr for a SOT to collect a tax that no longer exists? Hopefully when the smoke clears suppressors will be transferred with a 4473 just like a firearm. That’s all we need, folks at BATF and IRS.

Or how about needing no paperwork... one can dream.

 

[Harvey_NW]

Yep, should be able to buy them out of the glass counter at the hardware store.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

You can sell as a private party now, you just have to pay for the tax stamp. In state/private would just be a Form-4 transfer, so the buyer would pay the $200 tax stamp fee, SOT would facilitate and possibly charge a transfer fee (my local is $50), and that's it. Out of state would be Form-4 + tax stamp back to SOT, Form-3 transfer to buyers SOT, then Form-4 + tax stamp to them, plus any transfer fees.

So not ideal, but not impossible. And as I said, the lifetime purchase idea is a stigma that needs to die. Now with no tax stamp fee if you don't like your can you can list it locally, probably take a $150-200 hit offering to pay for the transfer fee and rid yourself of it, just like a used rifle.

Until you can just buy and sell them like a firearm, it’s still basically a lifetime purchase.

 

[HuntHarder]

Until you can just buy and sell them like a firearm, it’s still basically a lifetime purchase.

Why do you say that? I already have a guy willing to buy one of mine after we are able to avoid the 400$ fee. Maybe it isn't as easy in AK, but my SOT is less than 3 miles away and barely charges me for transfers because I use him so much.

 

[svivian]

You can sell as a private party now, you just have to pay for the tax stamp. In state/private would just be a Form-4 transfer, so the buyer would pay the $200 tax stamp fee, SOT would facilitate and possibly charge a transfer fee (my local is $50), and that's it. Out of state would be Form-4 + tax stamp back to SOT, Form-3 transfer to buyers SOT, then Form-4 + tax stamp to them, plus any transfer fees.

So not ideal, but not impossible. And as I said, the lifetime purchase idea is a stigma that needs to die. Now with no tax stamp fee if you don't like your can you can list it locally, probably take a $150-200 hit offering to pay for the transfer fee and rid yourself of it, just like a used rifle.

Correct for in state only, which you specified.

Out of state transaction would require you to transfer ownership to the SOT and then again to the buyer so currently you would have to pay the $200 tax twice. With the January changes it will really open up the market for everyone.

Edit: im retarded and didnt read carefully as @Harvey_NW stated that already

 

[Harvey_NW]

Out of state transaction would require you to transfer ownership to the SOT and then again to the buyer so currently you would have to pay the $200 tax twice. With the January changes it will really open up the market for everyone.

Out of state would be Form-4 + tax stamp back to SOT, Form-3 transfer to buyers SOT, then Form-4 + tax stamp to them, plus any transfer fees.

I had the 2 tax stamps in there, haha.

 

[svivian]

I had the 2 tax stamps in there, haha.

You know sometimes I speed read and it gets me in trouble LOL my bad

 

[Harvey_NW]

Until you can just buy and sell them like a firearm, it’s still basically a lifetime purchase.

I just don't see it that way. I also live in a communist state that has mag capacity limits, AR bans, required 4473 clearance facilitated by an FFL for private sales, and a 10-day wait for a 4473 on a frickin bolt gun, so I've been conditioned. But the Form-3's and 4's I've gone through in the last couple years have gone smoothly, so a Form-4 transfer to a buyer is no different, just a longer wait for approval.