Air Lock Industries Suppressor

[thinhorn_AK]

I agree. I’ll buy one of these and use it as a dedicated 6CM bolt rifle suppressor and put 2-300 rounds a year through it and it’ll be perfect for that application. I’m sure 99% of regular people outside of some of the Rokslide commandos will be totally safe with this use case.

Same. If I was planning on doing mag dumps with an AR, I’d get a sure fire or something, I wouldn’t even be looking at lightweight stuff. As it is though, I don’t even own an AR.

 

[Bluefish]

I have to admit this can looks really appealing. I don’t really need anymore 30 cal or smaller cans. What I really want is a sub 10 oz can for my 35 cal (35 whelen) and 45-70 that are sub 130 db. I have a jk can that’s under 10 oz, but it’s really loud. The v1 banish 46 is quiet, but super heavy at 22 oz.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

This suppressor does look really appealing. That’s why there is so much excitement about it.

I love seeing the reports from people who have used one and are reporting their experiences. I don’t like seeing people try to aggressively run down other products. If this ends up being the best hunting can on the market and sets a new standard, then we as consumers will be the beneficiaries. I sincerely hope that I have the luxury of head-to-head comparisons of a couple of new suppressors in the coming months. If I get a suppressor dedicated to a specific caliber, the Airlock may well be on one of my rifles.


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[Q_Sertorius]

Maybe it wasn’t as much of a “test” as you think it was. Maybe they just knew it was faulty so they wanted to blow it up.

I understand that, but I think posting it was a mistake (and I already told DannyB this privately).


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[RockAndSage]

The blemished suppressor in that video was a pre-production unit that already had a crack (printing error) on the edge of the end cap. I posted it partly as a joke

Anything that can be misinterpreted, will be - whether accidental or intentional. Because internet.

To contrast, I ran one of my production demos through 60 rounds on a 16” 6.5 PRC. The difference in barrel length alone was obvious: the 5.56 suppressor turned glowing red, while the 6.5 only went blue. That experiment was just to show how much barrel length impacts heat generation.

This was a smart thing to test and post video of. In case anyone is wondering about how temps work in gun barrels...

Combustion gasses in the cartridge are right at 5000F, because of the pressures. As volume of space goes up, the pressure and temperatures of gasses go down.

In a rifle barrel, gas temps go down to about 4000F only 3" from the throat, roughly, and about 3000F 4"-8" from the throat. Gasses at the muzzles of most rifles are right about 1500F-2000F, depending on cartridge and gas pressure at muzzle.

In AR rifles and carbines, gas at the gas ports is about 2000F-2500F (shorter system = higher pressures at port and hotter temps), and right about 2000F at the muzzle on carbine-length guns. In SBRs, it's closer to 2500F-3000F, depending on barrel length, and how that relates to pressure/volume, etc.

These temps have very little do to with a given rifle cartridge, and almost everything to do with gas pressure, and the temps that are tied to pressure and volume inside a given bore diameter/length.

Could I do another full burn-down on a production unit? Sure. But honestly, there’s not much point in destroying a perfectly good demo I still use just to prove the same thing again

This joke video probably already cost you the revenue of a couple of cans.

Rebuild and advance the trust people have in your company and its science by doing 3 side-by-side "burndown" tests: the 6.5 PRC, a 16" AR, and an SBR. Explain the science as you go along.

The value of that enhanced trust, further exposure, and resultant sales - by showing the science - will far outpace the cost of ammo and 3 printed suppressors.

Along with giving people exact benchmarks in their use-case suitability determinations. Include a QR code for the videos in your printed lit that goes out with each can, so that people know exactly what to expect.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

I understand that, but I think posting it was a mistake (and I already told DannyB this privately).


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I guess I couldn’t disagree more, he explained why he did it and why it happened then went on to make more videos of them not failing. I think it’s good when companies show things like that rather than only showing the good.

Like the guy said, it wasn’t a test, it was a blemished product that they were just having fun with, he was transparent about it.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Anything that can be misinterpreted, will be - whether accidental or intentional. Because internet.




This was a smart thing to test and post video of. In case anyone is wondering about how temps work in gun barrels...

Combustion gasses in the cartridge are right at 5000F, because of the pressures. As volume of space goes up, the pressure and temperatures of gasses go down.

In a rifle barrel, gas temps go down to about 4000F only 3" from the throat, roughly, and about 3000F 4"-8" from the throat. Gasses at the muzzles of most rifles are right about 1500F-2000F, depending on cartridge and gas pressure at muzzle.

In AR rifles and carbines, gas at the gas ports is about 2000F-2500F (shorter system = higher pressures at port and hotter temps), and right about 2000F at the muzzle on carbine-length guns. In SBRs, it's closer to 2500F-3000F, depending on barrel length, and how that relates to pressure/volume, etc.

These temps have very little do to with a given rifle cartridge, and almost everything to do with gas pressure, and the temps that are tied to pressure and volume inside a given bore diameter/length.




This joke video probably already cost you the revenue of a couple of cans.

Rebuild and advance the trust people have in your company and its science by doing 3 side-by-side "burndown" tests: the 6.5 PRC, a 16" AR, and an SBR. Explain the science as you go along.

The value of that enhanced trust, further exposure, and resultant sales - by showing the science - will far outpace the cost of ammo and 3 printed suppressors.

Along with giving people exact benchmarks in their use-case suitability determinations. Include a QR code for the videos in your printed lit that goes out with each can, so that people know exactly what to expect.

I think formidulosis response to the video probably cost UM a few sales as well. lol.

 

[Timjohnson11]

I think formidulosis response to the video probably cost UM a few sales as well. lol.

Unfortunate indeed. Hope Airlock and UM can push each other, and the industry, for the benefit of all of us

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Unfortunate indeed. Hope Airlock and UM can push each other, and the industry, for the benefit of all of us

Before all this, airlock wasn’t something I was interested in, his follow up videos and transparency have changed my mind. My next silencer will be an airlock.

Formidulosis is clearly biased.

 

[kswaterfowl]

I appreciate the transparency and professionalism that @DannyB has demonstrated. I will definitely be purchasing a suppressor from them.

 

[mtnbound]

I understand that, but I think posting it was a mistake (and I already told DannyB this privately).


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I didn’t see the video I only saw the first post that said it failed with a 50 round rapid fire session and my first thought was no way am I gonna buy that can. I didn’t see where it was a blem can until many posts later.
After I saw it was a blem can then I asked myself why, what’s the purpose of showing a blem can failing. Seems like an odd marketing plan.
Seeing the 6.5prc test helped restore my excitement in a new company’s product.
As a very long time suppressor user I hope all this new growth in the suppressor market continues so we as consumers have more choices.

 

[5811]

As a very long time suppressor user I hope all this new growth in the suppressor market continues so we as consumers have more choices.

We are about to see an explosion in suppressor companies and options. Growth over the last 4 ish years has been exponential, but free stamps and 3d printing are going to cause a market boom (I think).

The key will be discernment between the flash-in-the-pan companies and those with some staying power. Hopefully we see some standardized testing and innovation in design. Awesome time to be a customer.

 

[mtnbound]

We are about to see an explosion in suppressor companies and options. Growth over the last 4 ish years has been exponential, but free stamps and 3d printing are going to cause a market boom (I think).

The key will be discernment between the flash-in-the-pan companies and those with some staying power. Hopefully we see some standardized testing and innovation in design. Awesome time to be a customer.

I agree especially with the 3D printing, it’s amazing what can be made so quickly.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

We are about to see an explosion in suppressor companies and options. Growth over the last 4 ish years has been exponential, but free stamps and 3d printing are going to cause a market boom (I think).

The key will be discernment between the flash-in-the-pan companies and those with some staying power. Hopefully we see some standardized testing and innovation in design. Awesome time to be a customer.

The flash in the pan companies are things I’d like to avoid. Whenever I think I should have gotten into silencers a decade ago, I think about all the silencers my friends have which are obsolete, and from companies that aren’t even around anymore. I remember when my buddy thought his whisper tech (or something like that, was the best thing ever….thats not even a company anymore is it?

 

[mtnbound]

The flash in the pan companies are things I’d like to avoid. Whenever I think I should have gotten into silencers a decade ago, I think about all the silencers my friends have which are obsolete, and from companies that aren’t even around anymore. I remember when my buddy thought his whisper tech (or something like that, was the best thing ever….thats not even a company anymore is it?

Whisper Tech is still around they were bought by Bersa I believe.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Whisper Tech is still around they were bought by Bersa I believe.

Interesting, I’ve never heard anybody talk about them since my friend got one years ago. Bersa is also another name I havnt heard anybody say in a very long time as well.

 

[Coopsdaddy]

I’m hoping thunder beast steps it up,companys like that I have no problem giving my money.

 

[DisplacedHusky]

I’m definitely interested in this can just as I was with the OG. I have other cans so I don’t mind waiting to see how things play out in the next 12 months or so and how these companies handle warranty issues. If Airlocks start being carried on SS or Capitol Armory it will push me closer to a purchase with the reduction of effort and $ required to acquire one.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

I’m definitely interested in this can just as I was with the OG. I have other cans so I don’t mind waiting to see how things play out in the next 12 months or so and how these companies handle warranty issues. If Airlocks start being carried on SS or Capitol Armory it will push me closer to a purchase with the reduction of effort and $ required to acquire one.

I’d buy one in a heartbeat if Capitol armory gets them.

 

[Southernfried]

Really, right now, and I could be severely wrong, but, I don't think it has cost airlock or UK any sales in any way. Both are so new to the suppressor game, to normal folk, they haven't really shown up on the radar yet. I mean no disrespect to either company or suppressor. It is just when you google them, like most people interested in getting a suppressor will do. Neither company shows up on Silencer Shop, Silencer Central or Capital Armory. I live in Tennessee and these are the 3 places I check for suppressors etc. In fact till I found this site, I had never heard of Unknown Munitions either. Living in Idaho it may be a different story. In fact the only website I can even see is for Unknown, I cant find one for airlock except on facebook or instagram, I could have the spelling wrong, but still, they are hard to search for. Now 3-5 years from now, all of this could be a different story, but for now, they both are just getting their feet wet, mistakes will be made, and lessons learned. I wish them both all the luck in the world, the more manufactures the better, and ultimately the lower the prices will come. I will be glad when there is a national spec we can all compare from.