Lawnboi
WKR
Luckily with such short arms, 2 d6 inserts puts me right at what I want.
There are plenty of pros shooting high FOC arrows. I will say its not as important than bareshaft tuning is for me but I believe it helps with how well the arrow reacts to the shot and allows better penetration..
Go listen to bowjunky podcast after the Lancaster tournament. The young kid that got 2nd said he shoots at least 200 grains up front. Sorry if it offends you but they do. There are advantages of doing so.
Go listen to bowjunky podcast after the Lancaster tournament. The young kid that got 2nd said he shoots at least 200 grains up front. Sorry if it offends you but they do. There are advantages of doing so.
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Post proof please.....I'm calling horse dung without proof of these "Many pros"....please name the 'many'
I've seen your comment regurgitated on other sites many times without proof by the Ashby clones/backyard internet wonders....no pros I've ever shot with..... talked to....or even heard of...... use arrows outside Eastons recommended medium FOC range. Its time to put an end to bad info.....
For the sake of conversation can you provide any proof that a heavier FOC doesn't improve forgiveness?
I don't shoot a pile of weight up front(62 grains plus the head at about 14%) but I have definitely seen an increase in consistency and forgiveness when shooting broadheads.
Sure, glad to.
First, you and I are within the Easton recommended range of what can be called medium FOC; 8%-16%. I'm at 16%...tunes great. So we aren't in the realm of high FOC.
Really there is only one guy pushing this high FOC- Ashby and his clones. Did you know Ashby did a lot of his testing with a longbow?
Did you know his original claim on his high FOC defied the laws of physics? His claim was trajectory is improved with EFOC arrows. Once the scientific community investigated and it came out how he did the study; Wooden dowels and rubber bands. The whole EFOC thing was proven a sham.
Older longbow vs modern compound; This is a whole different animal than the shoot through risers the vast majority of us use as we don't NEED archers paradox with the arrow bending around the riser to get a clean shot....where some of those longbows do. Also factor in, a longbow has a much different draw force curve than many of the compounds we shoot today which don't apply even force to the arrow on the shot...its much more abrupt....a higher energy output...a faster acceleration if you will.
Especially a high energy compound. Guys always talk about these frnt loaded arrows in flight comparing them to missles but theres no free lunch........what these guys don't factor in is the destabilizing effect of a lot of tip weight and weaker spine on an abrupt launch from your bowstring.
Bottom line; If high FOC was an advantage...don't you think the engineers at Easton would recommend it?
Don't you think the vast majority of pros would be using it?
You know the guys shooting 5 hours a day in FITA, ASA 3D, and all of the other target disciplines spend days/weeks/years just to squeak out a tiny advantage....a couple points in their score.....and 99% of them are all in the Easton rec range for FOC. That should tell you something....
But there are still internet wonders that once a week post on the different archery sites, "OH MY, I just reinvented the wheel with my very high FOC arrow.....its AMAZING" of course they didn't compare it to the same weight arrow with FOC in the Easton range....and of course their testing is completely biased and unscientific....but the claims are there and the uninitiated suck it up.
Sure, glad to.
First, you and I are within the Easton recommended range of what can be called medium FOC; 8%-16%. I'm at 16%...tunes great. So we aren't in the realm of high FOC.
Really there is only one guy pushing this high FOC- Ashby and his clones. Did you know Ashby did a lot of his testing with a longbow?
Did you know his original claim on his high FOC defied the laws of physics? His claim was trajectory is improved with EFOC arrows. Once the scientific community investigated and it came out how he did the study; Wooden dowels and rubber bands. The whole EFOC thing was proven a sham.
Older longbow vs modern compound; This is a whole different animal than the shoot through risers the vast majority of us use as we don't NEED archers paradox with the arrow bending around the riser to get a clean shot....where some of those longbows do. Also factor in, a longbow has a much different draw force curve than many of the compounds we shoot today which don't apply even force to the arrow on the shot...its much more abrupt....a higher energy output...a faster acceleration if you will.
Especially a high energy compound. Guys always talk about these frnt loaded arrows in flight comparing them to missles but theres no free lunch........what these guys don't factor in is the destabilizing effect of a lot of tip weight and weaker spine on an abrupt launch from your bowstring.
Bottom line; If high FOC was an advantage...don't you think the engineers at Easton would recommend it?
Don't you think the vast majority of pros would be using it?
You know the guys shooting 5 hours a day in FITA, ASA 3D, and all of the other target disciplines spend days/weeks/years just to squeak out a tiny advantage....a couple points in their score.....and 99% of them are all in the Easton rec range for FOC. That should tell you something....
But there are still internet wonders that once a week post on the different archery sites, "OH MY, I just reinvented the wheel with my very high FOC arrow.....its AMAZING" of course they didn't compare it to the same weight arrow with FOC in the Easton range....and of course their testing is completely biased and unscientific....but the claims are there and the uninitiated suck it up.
Thanks for the response! I guess I was taking your argument as
"adding any FOC was worthless" where it was more of an EFOC thing. I can agree with that as I've seen minimal, if any, difference from 14-18% in stuff I've played with. I do think focusing some weight to front end of the arrow can benefit most hunters.
Anytime bro. Sure a reasonable amount of FOC is good......but as you stated....a little FOC either way isn't something you want to plan your arrow build around. [which happens to be the question in this thread]
I hunt with some ASA pro shooters and if you ask them what the FOC is of their arrow they can't even tell you.....its that insignificant.