Action Design For Hunting

Kjc103

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I’m going to stir some sh*t up with this post, no doubt. So trigger warning if you’re trying to keep your blood pressure down.

I think the fatal flaw in the Tikka action for hunting is that it is not rock solid safe to carry a round in the chamber. If you do carry it hot, even if it’s unlikely, that safety can be flicked off and that trigger can snag on any number of things and go off. To a lesser extent, the bolt could flip open, though I have never personally had that happen.

This is the only reason I have not gone all in on a Rokstok-Tikka build. I am 1,000 percent convinced of every other argument for that action, I have had one before. It’s just as smooth as a $1,500 custom actions (maybe smoother), it’s durable, the trigger is excellent and reliable, etc etc. All undeniable.

I have a dozen or so custom’s built on 700 custom clones. They’re all collecting dust right now for the same reason. In fact, they’re probably worse in this regard. I did have a stiller long action safety get bumped going through brush once.

The best safety designs? Blaser R8 (Sauer 505 too), Ruger M77. The blaser cannot possibly fire, there is no energy in the firing pin. It is totally inert until cocked. The M77 locks all the way back and snug against the bolt. It’s not protruding, it has zero play, and you can physically see metal on metal blocking that firing pin from dropping. The edge goes to the blaser design here but I’ll argue all day the merits of the M77. They’re rock freaking solid. Unfortunately, there’s just not a lot of good aftermarket options for a modern lightweight stock.

The Winchester model 70 and any similar with the largish blade are better than tikka/remington but I’m only like 85 percent confident carrying an M70. I want to be 100 percent. The safety is always a little loose fitting and not confidence inspiring.

I’m open to the MCR Marshall whenever that comes out. I’ll buy one and try it.
 
Once upon a time I was hunting with a husquvarna and was very happy with it. I had leaned it up against the pickup while we were unloading elk quarters. Something moved the pickup and the rifle fell over and fired. A real wakeup call. I looked carefully and found where a previous owner tried to lighten the trigger and the action had too loose of an action causing the failure.

I sold the rifle even though my wife had bought it for me for my birthday. I replaced it with a BAR because it had a push button safety like all of my Browning shotguns. I have never regretted my decision.

I'm not saying everyone needs to buy a BAR but look carefully at the safety and the tolerences of your rifles actions. I nearly made a mistake when I was young.
 
I’m scratching my head trying to figure out how the Tikka safety is easy to get accidentally flipped off safe. Are we looking at the same rifle?

I have a Mauser with the wing safety on the left side. That is easy to get flipped off safe if carried across your back.
 
My only gripe with the tikka safety is that I wish it were 3 position. I would appreciate a means in which to unload the rifle while it was still unable to fire.

I have 0 concerned that the safety is going to magically move forward while I’m walking with the rifle and create an unsafe situation.
 
so if the safety isn't safe...why carry with one in the chamber?
it takes 1 second to load a round...

On my left-handed safety Mauser, that is exactly how I carry it. Condition 3 whenever it is on my back or shoulder.

On one of my Tikkas, I’ve never been concerned about the safety magically switching off. Condition 1 as soon as I leave the house.

I do prefer the three-position safety on my Sauer 100.
 
Safety is always the #1 priority with firearms. If the safety design concerns you with a round in the chamber, don't put a round in the chamber until game is spotted and you have determined you are going to shoot. A few seconds delay might mean losing the opportunity for the shot but will make it certain that you won't be living with a lifetime of regrets.
 
I would be curious what event, experienced or heard of, brought you to this particular place.

With all the firearms you mentioned having, it would seem this particular issue for you now, wasn't one at the time you purchased the designs you are unhappy with now.

Two relatively easy fixes have already been identified. Either purchase your preferred design or hunt with an empty chamber.

But I am curious what has led you here now?
 
I’ll never have a round chambered in a rifle unless it’s in my hands and I’m prepared to keep it oriented in a safe direction.
 
I’ve had Remington and savage safeties slide off before. Both only happen while going through ridiculously thick brush. Which I get, maybe sometimes you just have to push through some of that. Since having a Tikka, I actually feel the shape and location help, and the deliberate pressure required to move it helps. I haven’t had it go out of position yet.

I would say a much better method is like guys said above. Go empty chamber when you are in brush that thick. You probably won’t be shooting anything in that kind of brush as much noise as you will be making, and if you do need to, rack the bolt. Also, should be obvious, but go empty chamber anytime it is strapped to your pack, or really, any time it is not in your direct control. (hand near fire controls). I’m generally “pro round in chamber” but only when your thumb is within a couple inches of that safety and you can regularly confirm it’s position. And you have built good muzzle awareness/control habits.
 
Why are you walking around with a round in the chamber to begin with? Are the animals shooting back? If I am hunting by myself, then maybe have a round chambered. I just don’t see the need until I am ready to pull the trigger.
 
I love my Tikkas overall but prefer the ability to unload my browning xbolt without coming off safe via the bolt unlock button. And, my preference, I like the positioning of the Xbolt tang safety. I generally move around with the chamber unloaded anyway.
 
Getting struck by lightning, falling with a heavy pack on, falling in a river, bears, mountain lions, wolves, beaver attack, having an eagle dive bomb you and push you off a cliff, having a river otter bite your crotch and severe your carotid artery, sasquatch, being abducted by aliens, chupacabra.

These are all things that would kill you or someone else BEFORE accidentally slipping the safety off on your Tikka and having a stick snag the trigger while the gun is for some reason pointing at a person.



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Getting struck by lightning, falling with a heavy pack on, falling in a river, bears, mountain lions, wolves, beaver attack, having an eagle dive bomb you and push you off a cliff, having a river otter bite your crotch and severe your carotid artery, sasquatch, being abducted by aliens, chupacabra.

These are all things that would kill you or someone else BEFORE accidentally slipping the safety off on your Tikka and having a stick snag the trigger while the gun is for some reason pointing at a person.



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Not true. I don’t believe in the chupacabra.
 
The safety on the Tikka is one of my favorite things about it. It fuctions exactly like I want - locks the bolt and physically blocks the firing pin when engaged, unlocks everything when disengaged. I never had a problem with mine accidentally disengaging. The only thing I've ever had that problem with that I can recall is aftermarket Remington 700 style safeties that seem to have garbage detents and REALLY want to be in the off position. I have two rifles like that. Incredibly easy to push the safety off and require deliberate force to put them back on. I don't hunt with those, one day I'm going to rip them apart and fix that.
 
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