80% vs 85% Letoff

[N2TRKYS]

That is not a bad habit. A bad habit is just hanging out against the back wall and plucking your index release.

If you’re inconsistent and not grouping well, it is.

 

[Zac]

If you’re inconsistent and not grouping well, it is.

If you believe that you are pulling your pin off the target you are not comfortable with pin float. Take an archery lesson literally anywhere and you will be taught how to execute your release by pulling through the shot.

 

[Reburn]

If you believe that you are pulling your pin off the target you are not comfortable with pin float. Take an archery lesson literally anywhere and you will be taught how to execute your release by pulling through the shot.

Not to mention with mine and my brothers VXR when we were chronoing with my labradar, if the back wall was not pulled through we saw speed fluctiations of up to 4-5 fps. When the back wall was pulled through correctly and back tension was used the speeds were within 1 fps of the last shot. With 85% mods.

 

[N2TRKYS]

If you believe that you are pulling your pin off the target you are not comfortable with pin float. Take an archery lesson literally anywhere and you will be taught how to execute your release by pulling through the shot.

It’s not about what I believe, it’s about what is actually occurring. I’m much more accurate the way I’m doing it than the other way.

 

[Reburn]

It’s not about what I believe, it’s about what is actually occurring. I’m much more accurate the way I’m doing it than the other way.

I believe this. Inside a certian yardage its fine. And if it works for you i say keep doing it. I can tell you for sure though at 100 yards with the hang and pluck method I was getting vertical stringing indicating exactly what I was seeing on the labradar as it relates to speed difference. When I pulled through the shot the veritical group size shrank in half with the same arrows on the same day. I also personally torque less left to right when i pull through the wall vs the hang and pluck method.

 

[Reburn]

for the record I have a hard time telling at 60 yards pulling through vs the hang and pluck. At 80-100 I can for sure tell a difference in my shooting.

 

[N2TRKYS]

I believe this. Inside a certian yardage its fine. And if it works for you i say keep doing it. I can tell you for sure though at 100 yards with the hang and pluck method I was getting vertical stringing indicating exactly what I was seeing on the labradar as it relates to speed difference. When I pulled through the shot the veritical group size shrank in half with the same arrows on the same day. I also personally torque less left to right when i pull through the wall vs the hang and pluck method.

I don’t shoot animals at 100 yds, so that’s a moot point for me. My pin moves way too much with constant pressure for me to shoot acceptable groups even at close ranges.

 

[Billy Goat]

I don’t shoot animals at 100 yds, so that’s a moot point for me. My pin moves way too much with constant pressure for me to shoot acceptable groups even at close ranges.

I'm not saying this to argue at all, just for a point. I shoot 100 a lot, and further. Has nothing to do with shooting an animal that far. I'm not taking a shot with archery equipment at a big game animal at that distance, maybe as a follow-up if I feel it will make a difference, but never as a first shot. Now groundhogs are a different story.

Anyways, to the point. Shooting that kind of distance makes you a lot more comfortable at half that distance. Instead of a 60 yard shot being your maximum range, it's just the furthest you have decided you should be shooting at an animal. I don't shoot a rifle much past 400 yards hunting. That's where I have decided my limit is. I shoot 8-900 and feel reasonably confident with a first shot at that distance, in no way do I feel comfortable hunting at that distance. But it builds confidence for one, and shows you flaws that you need to work on.

 

[N2TRKYS]

I'm not saying this to argue at all, just for a point. I shoot 100 a lot, and further. Has nothing to do with shooting an animal that far. I'm not taking a shot with archery equipment at a big game animal at that distance, maybe as a follow-up if I feel it will make a difference, but never as a first shot. Now groundhogs are a different story.

Anyways, to the point. Shooting that kind of distance makes you a lot more comfortable at half that distance. Instead of a 60 yard shot being your maximum range, it's just the furthest you have decided you should be shooting at an animal. I don't shoot a rifle much past 400 yards hunting. That's where I have decided my limit is. I shoot 8-900 and feel reasonably confident with a first shot at that distance, in no way do I feel comfortable hunting at that distance. But it builds confidence for one, and shows you flaws that you need to work on.

I seem to be doing just fine with what I’ve been doing. If you have to do that to be accurate, then go for it. I do see folks complaining and chasing “problems” to get their equipment to shoot that far, then their equipment is jacked up at their hunting distance.

I’ll keep doing what works best for me.

Thanks for the advice, though.

 

[Zac]

It’s not about what I believe, it’s about what is actually occurring. I’m much more accurate the way I’m doing it than the other way.

Mental weakness is what's occuring.

 

[Billy Goat]

I seem to be doing just fine with what I’ve been doing. If you have to do that to be accurate, then go for it. I do see folks complaining and chasing “problems” to get their equipment to shoot that far, then their equipment is jacked up at their hunting distance.

I’ll keep doing what works best for me.

Thanks for the advice, though.

How does having your equipment setup to shoot 100 yards have it jacked up at close hunting range?

Shooting a field round you are shooting 20' to 80 yards. I haven't seen the guys who can hold the scores at 80 screw up much at 20 and 30.


I get that what you are doing is working for you, but you often seem to argue against challenges to improving. This is a site where people are trying to better their skills. You are even asking for a response on a difference in FPS between two mods that everyone has said the difference is irrelevant but you keep pushing it. So there are some things you clearly care about if you are worried about trying to gain 2 fps. Seems like it's not chasing accuracy tho.


I'd say if you haven't shot at distances that push you, you might not know what's best for you.

Good luck in your archery pursuits. I'm glad that things work for you. I'll continue to push my comfort zone to hopefully continue to improve as an archer. Probably frequently wasting my time trying to produce the highest quality arrows I can, and shooting at distances well beyond my normal hunting ranges so that I have complete confidence in myself and my equipment.

 

[N2TRKYS]

Mental weakness is what's occuring.

. Accuracy is what’s occurring for me.

 

[Zac]

. Accuracy is what’s occurring for me.

Every trigger puncher has his day.

 

[N2TRKYS]

How does having your equipment setup to shoot 100 yards have it jacked up at close hunting range?

Shooting a field round you are shooting 20' to 80 yards. I haven't seen the guys who can hold the scores at 80 screw up much at 20 and 30.


I get that what you are doing is working for you, but you often seem to argue against challenges to improving. This is a site where people are trying to better their skills. You are even asking for a response on a difference in FPS between two mods that everyone has said the difference is irrelevant but you keep pushing it. So there are some things you clearly care about if you are worried about trying to gain 2 fps. Seems like it's not chasing accuracy tho.


I'd say if you haven't shot at distances that push you, you might not know what's best for you.

Good luck in your archery pursuits. I'm glad that things work for you. I'll continue to push my comfort zone to hopefully continue to improve as an archer. Probably frequently wasting my time trying to produce the highest quality arrows I can, and shooting at distances well beyond my normal hunting ranges so that I have complete confidence in myself and my equipment.

I don’t know, you’ll have to ask them.

I was more curious about the speed difference between the two let offs than anything. With all the testing and tinkering that goes on, I figured someone has tried it.

As long as I can keep a 2” group or less at 50 yds, I guess I’ll stick with what I’m doing.

If something changes, I’ll have to readjust, though.

 

[Zac]

I don’t know, you’ll have to ask them.

I was more curious about the speed difference between the two let offs than anything. With all the testing and tinkering that goes on, I figured someone has tried it.

As long as I can keep a 2” group or less at 50 yds, I guess I’ll stick with what I’m doing.

If something changes, I’ll have to readjust, though.

You are shooting very well. You could be the exception to the rule.

I don’t know, you’ll have to ask them.

I was more curious about the speed difference between the two let offs than anything. With all the testing and tinkering that goes on, I figured someone has tried it.

As long as I can keep a 2” group or less at 50 yds, I guess I’ll stick with what I’m doing.

If something changes, I’ll have to readjust, though.

You are shooting very well. You may be the exception to the rule. All kidding aside you may be the next Gillingham. However odds are that if you are a mere mortal your shot process is going to deteriorate into a horrible case of target panic. You are most likely taking a short cut to avoid the difficulties of activating a surprise shot. There is no free lunch in archery. If holding on the dot and hitting a trigger was all there was to archery everyone would be doing it.

 

[N2TRKYS]

You are shooting very well. You could be the exception to the rule.
You are shooting very well. You may be the exception to the rule. All kidding aside you may be the next Gillingham. However odds are that if you are a mere mortal your shot process is going to deteriorate into a horrible case of target panic. You are most likely taking a short cut to avoid the difficulties of activating a surprise shot. There is no free lunch in archery. If holding on the dot and hitting a trigger was all there was to archery everyone would be doing it.

Man, I don’t know. I’ve been doing it this way since I started in ‘92.

Here’s another one you probably won’t like, I don’t worry about lining up my peep and sight housing.

 

[Reburn]

Man, I don’t know. I’ve been doing it this way since I started in ‘92.

Here’s another one you probably won’t like, I don’t worry about lining up my peep and sight housing.

I don’t know, you’ll have to ask them.

I was more curious about the speed difference between the two let offs than anything. With all the testing and tinkering that goes on, I figured someone has tried it.

As long as I can keep a 2” group or less at 50 yds, I guess I’ll stick with what I’m doing.

If something changes, I’ll have to readjust, though.

cool. Do whatever works for you.

80 to 85 letoff is 2-3fps difference in a perfect world at 70lbs with a 340ish IBO bow. Reality is less. There is your answer. Your welcome.

 

[LakeRat97]

Which states require 80% or less for let off? If anyone can pay a list I’d really appreciate it


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[Marble]

Here’s another one you probably won’t like, I don’t worry about lining up my peep and sight housing.

I hunted this way for years myself with success. I even shot tournaments decent. But I knew it wasn't the proper way to do it so since November I've been shooting this way. It took about a week. I can honestly say I do shoot better with much less misses.




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[Marble]

^^^ This. From a numbers (speed) perspective, 80 vs 85 is pretty much irrelevant...however if you're referring to comfort and/or the ability to remain solid in the wall, I'd choose 80 all day. The higher the let-off, consequently also higher is the tendency to get lazy on the back end.

And.. the higher the let off, the longer that string stays at, near or on your face.

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