6mm moose rifle?

My 12 year old daughter hammers with 18” 6cm, 108eldm and AB raptor 8. With that said she also puts 1000 plus rounds down range with 223,

I don’t think you could go wrong with either three especially suppressored.

FWIW - Phantom Defense NAS3 77TMK were 2950 ft/s in a 24” tikka and grouped 10 shot moa. It’s pretty much what my self and 9 year old use the most for deer.
 
A 6mm ARC with a suppressor has very little felt recoil. That would be my pick for a recoil shy kid if I was not comfortable with a 223.
 
The smallest I've ever heard of anyone(of my friends) taking a decent size moose was with a 6.5x55 swede. But then again, ive personally seen one dropped with a long bow...
I use a motto that has served me fairly well I think: If just enough is good, and more is better, then too much should be just right!
Hence why I pack a 45-70
 
Personally, if it were my kid, and having seen a moose once on tv, I would load her 223 with 88 ELD m/ 88 TMK and see how they shoot.
If the rifle shoots the 88’s of either flavour go forth and slay dragons. If it doesn’t, 77 TMK’s will chew big holes in stuff too.
Hard pass on the mono’s though. Too little, too slow.

If you want an excuse to buy her a new rifle, then by all means snag an ARC or Creed in a 6, but you aren’t gaining anything other than the secure knowledge that it’s bigger than the 223.
 
Eldm at .25 sd or higher at moderate velocities is a killer formula for na game. I shot a small bull moose at 125 that went 15 yards with a Grendel 123 eldm, and about the only species I’m missing of Alberta game is elk but I don’t like elk so don’t chase em much. The 6 arc 108 eldm would do everything you want and is quiet and allows lots of opportunities to watch it happen and send more lead. Ideal cartridges for kids but for any of us in all reality.
 
We have a tikka 223 and boxes of tmks. She has killed a deer with this combo and she shoots it very well. She is recoil shy. This combo has been very positive for her.

Imagine I'm still a licensed guide whom you're considering booking a trip with and you volunteer the information contained in the quote above and then ask me what rifle your daughter should bring.

My answer would be "Bring the Tikka in .223 Remington that she shoots very well and already has confidence in from filling tags with it."

I'd give that answer because I've been involved in the post-mortem of literally thousands of wild pigs. Assuming the .223 Remington is used in conjunction with bullets proven on hooved game, like the 77 grain TMK, you won't be able to distinguish the wound channels it makes from those made by a .250-3000 Savage, .257 Roberts, .243 Winchester, 6mm Remington, 7-30 Waters from a Contender, or a .30-30 shooting 160 grain FTX bullets over a full dose of "LVR" powder.

Shoot a pig of around 300 pounds on the hoof through the heart with a .223 Remington topped with the 77 grain TMK and it will die just as dead, just as fast, as if you'd have shot it with a 7mm-08 in the same place.

Going up .020" in shank diameter and 23 grains in bullet weight isn't going to result in a real-world difference that an animal will notice. I know this from my personal hunting, where I used the .223 Remington on black-tail deer to fill 22 consecutive California A-zone tags and used a .250-3000 Savage to fill 21 mule deer tags, 3 pronghorn tags, 2 caribou tags, and 1 bull elk tag. If I would have had the .224" component bullet selection in 1985 that I have in the here and now, I wouldn't have felt a need to own a .250 Savage beyond thinking it was cool from reading too many books by Roy Chapman Andrews.

Here's what the terminal ballistics of my 100 grain Nosler Partition load looked like when shot out of the 20" barrel of my Ruger M-77 RL Ultralight (Distance / velocity / energy):

M / 2620 / 1524
100 / 2352 / 1229
200 / 2100 / 980
300 / 1865 / 772

Here's what my 77 grain TMK 5.56 NATO load does out of the 20" barrel of my AR-15:

M / 2854 / 1393
100 / 2636 / 1188
200 / 2428 / 1008
300 / 2229 / 850

In terms of terminal ballistics, there's not enough difference twixt the twain for any hooved animal to live on.

I have to say I’m a little apprehensive having her shoot a moose with it.

Don't be. Whacking big game animals with ".22 Caliber" centerfire rifles isn't some new thing that only people on rokslide have done. The .22 Savage High Power was introduced in 1912 as a cartridge suitable for all North American hooved game. The .250-3000 Savage is and always was every bit the pipsqueak round that the .223 Remington was and is. Roy Chapman Andrews killed things far bigger than moose with Savage 1899 and 1920 model rifles in .250-3000 Savage and praised it as an effective and efficient killer. And Andrews sang that praise based on the original 87 grain load, which charts out like this:

M / 3000 / 1739
100 / 2680 / 1388
200 / 2382 / 1096
300 / 2103 / 855

Those are the terminal ballistics that Roy Chapman Andrews worked with when hunting moose in Canada and Alaska.


I think a well placed broadside shot would go well.

If Andrews could "one-shot drop" moose on the equivalent of modern 5.56 NATO terminal ballistics, your daughter will be able to, as well. He did broadside heart-shots with surgical precision. A modern 77 grain TMK .223 Remington / 5.56 NATO load is even better for shooting with surgical precision than what Chapman used, because it shoots flatter and has significantly less wind-drift. Terminal effect is better, too, by benefit of a sectional density of .219 verses .188 for the ammo Chapman used.
 
My daughter will be able to moose hunt in 2027. A family member will be able to draw a Maine tag and put her as a sub permittee - legal for her to shoot.

We have a tikka 223 and boxes of tmks. I have to say I’m a little apprehensive having her shoot a moose with it. She has killed a deer with this combo and she shoots it very well. She is recoil shy. This combo has been very positive for her. I think a well placed broadside shot would go well.

I was thinking a 6mm arc (probably a Ruger gen 2) for ease of adjustability and some Barnes lrx, 95 nbt, 100 gr partiton.

6 creed may be a little too much gun for her.

What would you guys do for this young gal… ?


Please don’t answer if you are only going to suggest a larger rifle. Please don’t say wait, because we won’t do that.
If you haven’t yet, swing by the reloading 88tmk thread. A couple of us are finding success with the new 88tmk out of our 223’s. https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/88-tmk-loading-thread.443931/

Bear season is upon us, and I’m expecting a few of us to start putting them through some thicker skinned animals shortly.

Since your daughter shoots her gun so well, a heavier bullet might be the easiest thing to do. And will give you the mental security you’re looking for above the 77gr TMK.
 
6 ARC shooting 103 ELDX.

223 shooting Bone Frog or Black Hills 77TMK.

Extremely lethal on moose if you keep the impact velocity over 1800 fps.
 
A supressed 6 arc or 6.5 grendel in an ar15. About the softest shooting combo I can think of. The 123 sst grendel load has done well for me on deer.

Other possibly, the 7.63x39 with handloads.

A big part of the set up is a braked supressor. Ive seen a 55lb girl shoot hot handloads from a 270 win and not mind it at all. Can was a dead air nomad L, w/ brake.

The piece of your idea i like the least is the ruger american. Ive owned 3, 2 didn't like to feed, 2 had crappy triggers, 3 had crappy stocks. All three did shoot ok though.
 
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