6mm Berger 120 LRHT

Using a single number for BC, whether G1 or G7, is a fit of a generic drag curve (drag coefficient vs Mach number) to real measured drag data. It matters what range of speeds (Mach numbers) is considered in establishing the fit, because the error between the reference curve and the real bullet curve will be different at different speeds.

I think Litz, who is a purist and ELR fanatic (to a fault), typically includes data out to transonic (Mach =~ 1.2 or 13-1400 fps) which is the domain he is most interested in, but is way too slow/far for most useful ranges for most shooters. I think this is why there is sometimes a perceived disagreement between Berger/AB/Litz BC numbers and other manufacturers or experimental "truing" at sub-1k ranges.

The best thing to use is a Custom Drag Model (CDM, cute name since the drag coefficient vs Mach plots described above can be referred to as CD vs. M), which is using the actual drag throughout flight and is therefore accurate at all ranges/speeds (other than differences induced by gun/rifling).

The 0.321 avg from Litz's video was taken while he was only shooting 300 yards. 2800ish FPS MV. I think it's pretty unusual for BC to go up as velocity increases at distance.

Not arguing with anything you said, just pointing out some context of that particular measurement. A guy can look at all of the different AB drag models for the same bullet from different guns and in different conditions and see lots of variability.
 
My 6WSM shoots a 108 at 3100 with a 16” barrel pretty easily with 565. I bet I could get 3100 with the right powder. Maybe 570? Definitely going to try them!
Please share your results when you get around to it. I'm getting 3160 with my 23" 6.5 WSM, 147 ELDM, and N565. An 18" or 20" 6 WSM at over 3,000 would be Pretty sweet.
 
Please share your results when you get around to it. I'm getting 3160 with my 23" 6.5 WSM, 147 ELDM, and N565. An 18" or 20" 6 WSM at over 3,000 would be Pretty sweet.
I don't think the Wsm case is necessary. I've got 20in 6saum, and 20in 6prc. Both those cases with N570 would go 3200 and 3300 with 115 dtacs. Adding 5gr of bullet weight and likely less bearing surface of Berger VS DTAC, I don't think 3000mv is gonna be a problem.
 
I don't think the Wsm case is necessary. I've got 20in 6saum, and 20in 6prc. Both those cases with N570 would go 3200 and 3300 with 115 dtacs. Adding 5gr of bullet weight and likely less bearing surface of Berger VS DTAC, I don't think 3000mv is gonna be a problem.
My 20" 6 PRC agrees.
 
I don't think the Wsm case is necessary. I've got 20in 6saum, and 20in 6prc. Both those cases with N570 would go 3200 and 3300 with 115 dtacs. Adding 5gr of bullet weight and likely less bearing surface of Berger VS DTAC, I don't think 3000mv is gonna be a problem.
Thx for sharing, and I already have the cases and necking down and rebarreling would be reasonable enough. I don’t need another rifle.
 
Thx for sharing, and I already have the cases and necking down and rebarreling would be reasonable enough. I don’t need another rifle.
I understand that. Was just stating an 80gr capacity parent case is a bit overkill for your velocity goals. However it'll be at lower pressure VS the same saum/prc. Which is never a bad thing!
 
I've got a 1 in 7.5" 6 gt but not sure how fast it will push these. Haven't even fired it yet but got the 109s for it. I know people get over 2800 out of the 115 dtacs. Would be kinda cool if I could get close to 2800 with them.
 
24in 6cm been ran to 3300 with peak alloy cases already. He's shooting half moa at 3200, as 3300 finally gave stiff bolt lift.

Was this the guy that was talking about using it to make PF for NRL? I saw a vid where he was up to about 3100 FPS shooting prone next to a barricade prop.

Cool stuff, happy to let others guinea pig it for a while though.
 
Have you guys messed with Google AI for reloading recommendations? Cool but creepy stuff. For example:

Search criteria:
6-.284
120 grain bullet
120 LRHT
bolt action
20" barrel
3.14" COAL
Recommend a powder for peak velocity

Search response:

With a long 3.14" COAL (Cartridge Overall Length) in a bolt action, you have an incredible advantage. This length pushes the long 120-grain Berger LRHT completely out of the main case body, maximizing your internal powder capacity and eliminating the risk of dangerous powder compression.
However, a 20-inch barrel remains the strict limiting factor. To get peak velocity out of this specific short-barrel setup, you need high energy density and a powder that can burn as completely as possible before the bullet exits the muzzle.

Top Powder Recommendations for Peak Velocity (3.14" COAL)
  • Alliant Reloder 26 (RL26): The #1 choice for maximum raw speed. Because your 3.14" COAL gives you extra case capacity, RL26 shines even brighter here. Its progressive burn characteristics and ultra-high energy density will extract every single foot-per-second possible out of a short 20" barrel.
    • Estimated Start Load: 45.5 grains
    • Estimated Max Load: 50.0 grains (Work up cautiously)
    • Expected Velocity: ~2,980 – 3,060 fps
  • Vihtavuori N560: An exceptional runner-up. N560 is a high-energy, double-base powder infused with nitroglycerin, giving it a much higher energy content per grain than standard powders. It burns slightly faster than RL26, meaning it will combust more efficiently inside your 20" barrel while taking full advantage of your unrestricted case capacity.
    • Estimated Start Load: 46.5 grains
    • Estimated Max Load: 50.5 grains
    • Expected Velocity: ~2,950 – 3,030 fps
  • Hodgdon Hybrid 100V: A dark-horse candidate specifically for shorter barrels. It has a burn rate that sits perfectly between H4350 and H4831, but features a unique grain geometry that delivers higher velocities than traditional extruded powders in short-barrel magnum cartridges. It will achieve near 100% burn inside 20 inches.
    • Estimated Start Load: 43.5 grains
    • Estimated Max Load: 47.5 grains
    • Expected Velocity: ~2,920 – 2,990 fps [1]

Load Development Reality Check
  • Pressure Signs: Because you are utilizing a 3.14" COAL, your initial pressure curve will be milder than standard-length data. However, as you near the 50-grain mark with RL26 or N560, the massive 120-grain bearing surface will cause pressure to ramp up quickly. Work up in 0.3-grain steps.
  • Muzzle Blast: Running high-energy slow powders like RL26 or N560 in a 20" barrel will result in unburned gases igniting outside the muzzle. Expect a heavy muzzle blast and bright flash. A suppressor or an efficient muzzle brake is highly recommended for this setup. [1]
Using high-quality Lapua brass paired with a standard Large Rifle primer is an excellent choice for this setup. Lapua brass features exceptionally strong web geometry and consistent internal volume, allowing you to safely navigate the upper pressure limits of the 6-.284 cartridge.
Because you are using a standard Large Rifle primer (rather than a Magnum primer), you will experience a slightly gentler initial pressure curve. This is beneficial for managing pressure spikes with the heavy 120-grain Berger LRHT, though you must ensure consistent powder ignition with slower choices like Reloder 26.

Recommended 3-Shot Ladder Test Maps
Select one powder from below based on your availability. Load 3 rounds at each step. Fire them over a chronograph while watching closely for heavy bolt lift or brass deformation.

Option 1: Alliant Reloder 26 (Peak Velocity Focus)
This powder will yield the highest absolute speed in your 20" barrel but can be sensitive to ambient temperature changes.
  • Step 1 (Start): 45.5 grains (~2,800 fps)
  • Step 2: 46.4 grains
  • Step 3: 47.3 grains
  • Step 4: 48.2 grains
  • Step 5: 49.1 grains (Expect ~2,980+ fps)
  • Step 6 (Max): 50.0 grains — Stop immediately if you hit pressure before this step.

Option 2: Vihtavuori N560 (High-Energy / Clean Burning Focus)
N560 adds a nitroglycerin energy boost. It burns incredibly cleanly and handles standard Large Rifle primers exceptionally well.
  • Step 1 (Start): 46.5 grains (~2,820 fps)
  • Step 2: 47.3 grains
  • Step 3: 48.1 grains
  • Step 4: 48.9 grains
  • Step 5: 49.7 grains
  • Step 6 (Max): 50.5 grains — Stop immediately if you hit pressure before this step.

Important Technical Tips for This Configuration
  • Primer Pocket Longevity: Lapua brass is tough, but the 6-.284 operates at incredibly high pressures. If your primer pockets feel loose after only 2 or 3 firings, your maximum load is too hot. Back off the charge by 1.0 grain.
  • Ignition Consistency: Standard Large Rifle primers will ignite these powders perfectly in normal conditions. However, if you plan to hunt or shoot in extreme sub-freezing temperatures, the heavy charge of slow-burning RL26 might experience slight velocity hangfires. In deep cold, a Magnum primer provides more reliable ignition.

If you want to refine your precision, let me know:
  • What chronograph (e.g., Garmin, MagnetoSpeed, LabRadar) are you using to track your speeds?
  • What seating depth jump (e.g., 0.020" off the lands) are you starting with?
 
Here are the results for 6CM with peak alloy cases and 20" barrel.

6 CM
120 LRHT
20" barrel
Peak alloy cases
Recommend a powder and primer for max velocity

Search response:

Combining the massive 6mm Creedmoor (6 CM) case capacity with the heavy 120-grain Berger LRHT and Federal's revolutionary high-pressure Peak Alloy steel cases unlocks an entirely new ballistic tier. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Standard brass cases deform plastically at high pressures, but the single-piece Peak Alloy cases act as a pressure-containment vessel capable of safely handling up to 80,000 PSI (compared to the standard 62,000 PSI SAAMI max). Out of a short 20-inch barrel, this high-pressure capability allows you to force complete powder combustion and achieve velocities that typically require a 26-inch barrel. [1, 2, 3, 4]
To maximize velocity in this specific high-pressure, short-barrel configuration, you must select components that can handle high-ignition pressures while burning completely within 20 inches. [1]

The Component Recommendations
  • The Primer:


    CCI #450 Small Rifle Magnum or Federal Premium Gold Medal AR Match (GM205MAR).
    • Why: Peak Alloy cases utilize small primer pockets to maintain maximum case head strength at 80,000 PSI. You must use a thick-cupped, magnum-level small rifle primer. Standard small rifle primers (like CCI 400) have thin cups that will crater, pierce, or blank immediately under these high pressures. The CCI #450 and GM205MAR have the thickest cups available and provide the intense flame needed to ignite highly compressed powder charges uniformly. [1, 2, 3]
  • The Top Powder: Alliant Reloder 16 (RL16).
    • Why: While Reloder 26 is great for pure velocity in large cases, it is too slow to burn efficiently in a 20-inch Creedmoor barrel. Reloder 16 is the ultimate choice here. It features a slightly faster burn rate (right next to H4350) but possesses a much higher energy density and advanced progressive burning characteristics. Under the ultra-high pressures permitted by Peak Alloy cases, RL16 will burn 100% inside your 20-inch barrel, yielding maximum possible muzzle velocity.
    • Alternative Powder: Hodgdon H4350. If you cannot source RL16, H4350 is the gold standard. It provides legendary temperature stability and matches the short barrel perfectly, though it yields slightly less top-end velocity than the high-energy RL16. [1, 2, 3, 4]



High-Pressure Load Map Guidelines (Reloder 16)
Because Peak Alloy cases allow you to push past standard brass limitations, you will be operating in a custom pressure zone. Do not use standard brass load data. [1]
  • Estimated High-Pressure Starting Charge: 39.5 grains of RL16 (~2,650 fps)
  • Estimated High-Pressure Max Charge: ~43.5 grains of RL16 (Work up carefully)
  • Velocity Expectation (20" Barrel): ~2,880 to 2,950+ fps at maximum high-pressure limits. This effectively mirrors or exceeds what a standard brass case can do out of a 26-inch barrel. [1, 2]



Peak Alloy Reloading Mechanics
Reloading steel-based Peak Alloy cases requires specific care to protect your tools and the integrity of the alloy: [1, 2]
  1. Do Not Trim the Cases: Peak Alloy cases feature a specialized anti-corrosion and lubricity coating. Trimming the case mouth strips this coating away, exposing the raw steel underneath to ambient moisture and severe rust. Fortunately, the steel alloy does not stretch or flow like brass, meaning the cases rarely require trimming. [1, 2, 3]
  2. Heavy-Duty Lubrication: Sizing high-strength steel requires significantly more force than sizing brass. Use a highly viscous, premium case lube (such as Imperial Sizing Die Wax) and apply a light film to the inside of the neck to prevent stuck cases or scratched dies. [1, 2]
  3. Inspect for Case Life: Federal testing indicates Peak Alloy cases can safely be reloaded roughly 9 times before the primer pockets stretch or the web weakens. Because traditional brass pressure signs (like sticky bolt lift) may not appear until you are well past 85,000+ PSI, monitor your chronograph closely. If a 0.2-grain powder increase no longer yields a velocity gain, your pressure has plateaued—back down immediately. [1, 2]

To safely build out this high-pressure ladder test, let me know:
  • What freebore or throat length does your chamber have? (The long 120-grain bullet requires ample freebore to prevent reducing your internal powder capacity).
  • What twist rate is your 20" barrel? (A strict 1:7" or 1:7.5" twist is required to stabilize this heavy 120-grain projectile).
 
Was this the guy that was talking about using it to make PF for NRL? I saw a vid where he was up to about 3100 FPS shooting prone next to a barricade prop.

Cool stuff, happy to let others guinea pig it for a while though.
M_2collective, yes that's him. He found sticky bolt at 3300mv 🤣 God only knows what the psi was.

The guy and his partbee won mammoth sniper challenge this year, so he's a legit marksman.
 
Lot of talk about this bullets speed and BC but not much on terminal performance. I know on paper it seems nice in a hot 6mm but the more closed tip of the LRHT bullets seems like a deterrent to me for use on game. More of a gamer competition bullet to me.
 
Just had a revelation that my 6 PRC reamer is a .200 freebore, which would probably be perfect for this bullet. But it would for sure put the COAL too long for a short action. But my 6.5-7 PRC is currently on a long action, and runs the same bolt face.

So I can just use my long action and swap the barrel to a 6PRC and shoot them somewhere around 3300fps in a 26”. Probably going to be something I mess with after hunting season.
 
Lot of talk about this bullets speed and BC but not much on terminal performance. I know on paper it seems nice in a hot 6mm but the more closed tip of the LRHT bullets seems like a deterrent to me for use on game. More of a gamer competition bullet to me.
Only one way to find out… I know the 109 LRHT & 144 LRHT kill really well with a fast muzzle velocity out to moderate ranges.
 
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