6.5CM suppressor recommendation

[dirtytough]

Seems like great reviews, although, the ~$2300 price point has me cringing a little.

Every time I shoot and someone hears it, they say how quiet it is. And they are all shooting suppressed. If size/weight isn’t a concern it’s hard to beat.

PM incoming

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Seems like great reviews, although, the ~$2300 price point has me cringing a little.

Good suppression doesn’t cost $2300.

 

[dirtytough]

Good suppression doesn’t cost $2300.

There is “hearing safe” that makes some guys ears ring. There is good suppression. There is great suppression. Then there is the best suppression.

Usually best costs more money. I didn’t pay anywhere near $2300 for my 338 Ultras. But I would in a heartbeat after using them.

I’ll pay $2300 for a max suppression can before I pay $1k for a suppressor that makes my ears ring.

OP wants max suppression under $1500 for a 6.5 Creed. He didn’t say good. He said max. The 338 Ultra is the best that fits his criteria.

Can you answer his question? What suppressor will give him max suppression for a 6.5 Creed, under $1500?

 

[Q_Sertorius]

There is “hearing safe” that makes some guys ears ring. There is good suppression. There is great suppression. Then there is the best suppression.

Usually best costs more money. I didn’t pay anywhere near $2300 for my 338 Ultras. But I would in a heartbeat after using them.

I’ll pay $2300 for a max suppression can before I pay $1k for a suppressor that makes my ears ring.

OP wants max suppression under $1500 for a 6.5 Creed. He didn’t say good. He said max. The 338 Ultra is the best that fits his criteria.

Can you answer his question? What suppressor will give him max suppression for a 6.5 Creed, under $1500?

The AB Raptor 10 with 5” reflex. Or look here, at the TBAC suppressor summit. Sorted by SE dbA.

 

[ckt3]

There is “hearing safe” that makes some guys ears ring. There is good suppression. There is great suppression. Then there is the best suppression.

Usually best costs more money. I didn’t pay anywhere near $2300 for my 338 Ultras. But I would in a heartbeat after using them.

I’ll pay $2300 for a max suppression can before I pay $1k for a suppressor that makes my ears ring.

OP wants max suppression under $1500 for a 6.5 Creed. He didn’t say good. He said max. The 338 Ultra is the best that fits his criteria.

Can you answer his question? What suppressor will give him max suppression for a 6.5 Creed, under $1500?

The answer to your last question is PTR Vent 1.

If you care about “hearing safe”, read Pew Science test results and research papers. Peak dB, anecdotes, and company self reporting will not suffice.

 

[Formidilosus]

The answer to your last question is PTR Vent 1.

If you care about “hearing safe”, read Pew Science test results and research papers. Peak dB, anecdotes, and company self reporting will not suffice.

Neither does a totally hidden, proprietary, and unknown test procedure that he charges both parties for. That’s not how legitimate research, testing and data works.

 

[ckt3]

Neither does a totally hidden, proprietary, and unknown test procedure that he charges both parties for. That’s not how legitimate research, testing and data works.

To my knowledge, this claim is largely false. The test procedure is known, and his methodology and data are far from hidden.

His test setups, data acquisition hardware, and raw waveforms are published. I agree that the “Suppression Rating” is proprietary, meaning we don’t know exactly how he normalizes the data to a single number, but the underlying methodology has solid documentation and is based on peer-reviewed research to model inner ear damage (Auditory Hazard Assessment Algorithm for Humans). It would be ideal if even the Suppression Rating was fully open, though such an approach is not unprecedented in industry testing and R&D.

I’d argue that his research is quite thorough and open and has substantially improved the state of consumer understanding of suppressor performance. I’m not aware of a better or more scientifically rigorous alternative.

 

[Kimber7man]

I bought a Magnus 30CB and very pleased with it on everything I shoot suppressed.
Looking forward to the ZG cans though.

 

[Bluefish]

I would gladly part with a hydrogen L 6.5. Got one last summer when OC did its yearly run of them. A bit heavy compared to other cans I have and while it may be quieter, it’s not enough of a difference. Located in Iowa.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I’d argue that his research is quite thorough and open and has substantially improved the state of consumer understanding of suppressor performance. I’m not aware of a better or more scientifically rigorous alternative.

The TBAC Suppressor Summit, which lets every suppressor manufacturer who has been in business for a year bring their stuff to get tested on the same setup. And doesn’t charge a dime for the information.

 

[ckt3]

The TBAC Suppressor Summit, which lets every suppressor manufacturer who has been in business for a year bring their stuff to get tested on the same setup. And doesn’t charge a dime for the information.

Yea that’s a nice data source also, and we are lucky to have both. Seems to me that TBAC has breadth, and Pew has depth.

Also, if people aren’t aware, more or less all of Pew’s information on a suppressor evaluation is free for us to see except two numbers: pressure and impulse at shooters ear. Per suppressor you’re actually getting more information (for free) than from TBAC.

I think only Pew actually attempts to quantify “hearing safety”, which is why I’d steer people there for that, but they both present valuable data. Good time to be alive for suppressor consumers.

If I can get the time I’d like to try correlate the two. Would be sweet to find they align in rank or even just discover where they differ.

 

[Bluefish]

Yea that’s a nice data source also, and we are lucky to have both. Seems to me that TBAC has breadth, and Pew has depth.

Also, if people aren’t aware, more or less all of Pew’s information on a suppressor evaluation is free for us to see except two numbers: pressure and impulse at shooters ear. Per suppressor you’re actually getting more information (for free) than from TBAC.

I think only Pew actually attempts to quantify “hearing safety”, which is why I’d steer people there for that, but they both present valuable data. Good time to be alive for suppressor consumers.

If I can get the time I’d like to try correlate the two. Would be sweet to find they align in rank or even just discover where they differ.

My biggest complaint with pew is the limited number of cans that are not 223/30 cal. I believe you have to pay to be tested and most of the cans I own have never been tested by pew.

 

[justin davis]

TBAC Ultra 9 6.5
TBAC Magnus

Otter creek Hydrogen L 6.5

 

[ckt3]

I would gladly part with a hydrogen L 6.5. Got one last summer when OC did its yearly run of them. A bit heavy compared to other cans I have and while it may be quieter, it’s not enough of a difference. Located in Iowa.

I’ve been wondering how the S and K compare to the L. Any personal experience with that?

 

[dreadi]

If Thunder Beast made a .264 Magnus, you'd be hard pressed to find something better. However, the .30 Magnus and the .264 Ultra 9 are close when it comes to 6.5 flavor

 

[M4Madness]

I have a brand new TBAC Gen 2 Ultra 9 6.5 sitting in my safe. I can't attest to its performance at this time, since I've been sitting on it for 6 months waiting for Seekins to release their .25 Creedmoor. But I can say that I felt that I'd researched sufficiently before purchasing it.

 

[dirtytough]

The AB Raptor 10 with 5” reflex. Or look here, at the TBAC suppressor summit. Sorted by SE dbA.

So the AB Raptor 10 is the best suppressor you can get for max suppression under $1500? Or is it one of the suppressors on the list? I’m confused I guess. And no the Vent 1 nor the 338 ultra are quieter than the AB 10? Gotcha.

The answer to your last question is PTR Vent 1.

If you care about “hearing safe”, read Pew Science test results and research papers. Peak dB, anecdotes, and company self reporting will not suffice.

I haven’t used one nor looked into them.

I don’t care about hearing safe. According to some on RS, some suppressors are hearing safe, yet still make ears ring.

The OP asked for max suppression. Of course it will be hearing safe. It won’t be lightweight. It won’t be small. RS honestly isn’t the place for this type of question. Most guys on here follow the trends. Most guys on here aren’t looking for max suppression. They are looking for whatever they are told is the best for killing. And depending what and how you are hunting, max suppression might not matter.

 

[justin davis]

The two best 6.5 cans on the market are the Airlock ZG 6.5 and the US OG 6.5.

If you want stupidly quiet without worrying about length or weight or looking like a sex toy, the AB Raptor 10 with 5” reflex fills that role.

PS - the TBAC suppressor summit reports are another great resource for comparing many suppressors.

For max suppression I don’t know if those 2 you listed are the best? The airlock is lightweight yes, but don’t know about max suppression?

 

[Q_Sertorius]

For max suppression I don’t know if those 2 you listed are the best? The airlock is lightweight yes, but don’t know about max suppression?

That’s already been covered in subsequent posts. I only recommend things i have used. Everything else, I try to share my opinion with sources.

The unspoken part of my post was that “max suppression” is overrated. The sonic crack is going to be roughly 125 dbA. Getting the noise of the gunshot quieter than that is chasing your tail for supersonic cartridges. If I have a lightweight, short suppressor that gets me 126-127 dbA with my chosen cartridge, it’s pretty silly to me to add weight and length to try to get it to 124-125. My opinion.

There’s a place for giant suppressors: on magnum rifles. If you are shooting a .300 WM, then you will definitely see a benefit from “more suppressor.” But on a 6.5 CM or similar, I don’t think you are getting real value from trying to get below about 125 dbA.

Also, on my 20” 6.5 CM, the AB Raptor 10 with 5” reflex is subjectively really freaking quiet. It’s effectively a 9”, 16 ounce suppressor in terms of volume and weight. I can’t imagine spending more money, length, or weight to make it even quieter with 6.5 CM (assuming it is even possible to make it measurably quieter).

No supersonic cartridge is “hearing safe” for more than a couple of shots per hour, no matter what suppressor you use. Even a sub-120 dbA rimfire suppressor with subsonic loads requires hearing protection for an extended range session. Spending an hour shooting .22 subs is like being at a rock concert for an hour.

 

[dreadi]

I will gladly take added weight and length get 36% reduction in sound. How much added weight and length? Depends.