6.5 Grendel with 100gr Barnes TTSX for elk?

[hipshotgunslinger]

Spin the supressor on 270 let her shoot it see what she thinks took a 10 year old out few years back he got a buck with a suppressed 280 aim no issues with recoil


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I failed to mention, the 270 is my wife's and she took a 5x5 with it last year. Something tells me she may not want to give that up, but who knows! She hunts with one gun where I am on a rotation to keep all my guns happy with me.

 

[Tberg]

Suppressed 270 with 130gr bullet would be a winner.

 

[hipshotgunslinger]

Suppressed 270 with 130gr bullet would be a winner.

I have the load for the 270, already shooting the Barnes 130 TTSX and it's super accurate. It's a Christensen Arms rifle, which who cares because I don't like it as well as my Sako or even my Tikka for some reason.

 

[sneaky]

You just need to get her a 7-08, and your problem would be solved. One of my favorite calibers ever.

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[MOSO 300]

Having a few kids of my own the thing I have noticed the most about gun selection is more on fit and less on caliber (within reason). My oldest is 10, 80lbs soaking wet and a bean pole to boot. My suggestion to you would be invest in a youth stock, or Remington youth rifle. The ADL is relatively inexpensive once you think of the powder and bullets you would burn developing her a load. When a kid uses a standard LOP gun they get stretched out and it opens up a multitude of other issues. In my non so scientific opinion I see more felt recoil simply from bad form due to improper fit. My oldest practices with a .22, hunts with a lightweight Remington youth 7mm-08 or 243. He took his first whitetail at 7 with the 7-08. I’m a big caliber fan, mostly bc all of us want a well placed shot, but it doesn’t always go the way we want it, especially if it’s our first attempt at a particular animal. I also think a 7-08 is a widely undervalued caliber for its bridge between bullets options, terminal ballistics, and felt recoil. Hornady makes some light light rounds for reduced recoil, but off my head you have a huge selection of factory ammo from 120 grain stuff up to 165, ballistic tips, partitions, game kings... the list is long. Another rifle may not be what you want, but for proper fit on length of pull and good form it may be what is best for her. Just food for thought.
Happy hunting!




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[hipshotgunslinger]

Having a few kids of my own the thing I have noticed the most about gun selection is more on fit and less on caliber (within reason). My oldest is 10, 80lbs soaking wet and a bean pole to boot. My suggestion to you would be invest in a youth stock, or Remington youth rifle. The ADL is relatively inexpensive once you think of the powder and bullets you would burn developing her a load. When a kid uses a standard LOP gun they get stretched out and it opens up a multitude of other issues. In my non so scientific opinion I see more felt recoil simply from bad form due to improper fit. My oldest practices with a .22, hunts with a lightweight Remington youth 7mm-08 or 243. He took his first whitetail at 7 with the 7-08. I’m a big caliber fan, mostly bc all of us want a well placed shot, but it doesn’t always go the way we want it, especially if it’s our first attempt at a particular animal. I also think a 7-08 is a widely undervalued caliber for its bridge between bullets options, terminal ballistics, and felt recoil. Hornady makes some light light rounds for reduced recoil, but off my head you have a huge selection of factory ammo from 120 grain stuff up to 165, ballistic tips, partitions, game kings... the list is long. Another rifle may not be what you want, but for proper fit on length of pull and good form it may be what is best for her. Just food for thought.
Happy hunting!




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Your probably right, but dang it, I have almost 80 guns and am wanting to whittle that down a bit (not add more) but upgrade my gear & optics with the gun funds. Drives me crazy thinking I have to have something that will work right???!!! I do happen to own 7mm-08 dies...dang you

 

[Wapiti406]

Another vote for a suppressed .270. As a kid I shot a .270 with 140 gr Barnes Triple Shocks and killed several elk.

 

[jspradley]

That 11lb 6.m ChristsMissile is likely going to be the most pleasant for her.

If you can't can it put some electronic earpro in before she shoots and she'll be gtg

 

[hipshotgunslinger]

That 11lb 6.m ChristsMissile is likely going to be the most pleasant for her.

If you can't can it put some electronic earpro in before she shoots and she'll be gtg

Yeah the 6.5cm has a threaded barrel. It's also adjustable for length of pull, but I don't recall it being enough to help a lot. It's a Bergara HMR if anyone happens to know the specs?

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[TreyPound]

It went pretty far. I am a little ashamed to admit that I was slow picking my target and by the time I pulled the trigger she was running away from us. I hit her in the right rear femur (which broke it) and the bullet traveled about 2 feet through her body and ended up just under the skin and you can see in the picture where we cut it out. Luckily it caught a piece of her lung and she only hobbled over to the back side of the hill and layed down to die. I am convinced that the same shot from a .30-06 would have produced similar results. I had a little bit of goading from the hunting party I was with otherwise I probably wouldn't have taken the shot. Peer pressure is pretty strong when you are only about 75 yards from a huge herd of elk.

 

[MOSO 300]

Your probably right, but dang it, I have almost 80 guns and am wanting to whittle that down a bit (not add more) but upgrade my gear & optics with the gun funds. Drives me crazy thinking I have to have something that will work right???!!! I do happen to own 7mm-08 dies...dang you

At 80 your wife wouldn’t notice just one more right


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[adamantine]

My vote is 6.5CM if she can deal with the weight on Tripod! Recoil calc says that's lowest whump by far (especially with the brake): http://www.shooterscalculator.com/recoil-calculator.php. Other than that, 270 with brake looks great.

Also, Hornady has a GMX superformance load for 6.5 Creedmoor is 120gr GMX @ 3100 fps. That's plenty for an elk at reasonable ranges. Every superformance load I've used is <1/2 MOA in my tikka, great stuff.

Disagree with guy saying no TSX. I've seen great performance at 2000 fps+ with copper bullets, that penetration is phenomenal in "underpowered" guns. A "soft expansion" type bullet is asking for disaster if she pulls it into a shoulder blade.

 

[id260]

6.5 Grendel should work fine but barnes is about the last bullet I'd use at Grendel speeds.

Get something that will expand and don't take a quartering to shot. I think Avery posted a video of a 6 CM with 108 ELDm on a cow last year. An expanding bullet in your 243 would be preferable to a barnes in the grendel IMO.

I agree with all this but would take it a step further and put the expanding bullet in the Grendel. Bigger wound channel, more energy and still the benefits of low recoil in the Grendel. An AR Grendel platform would be ideal with an adjustable stock for her short lop and the semi auto action would further reduce recoil. Broadside or quartering away at reasonable distance of course. Sounds fun.

 

[wind gypsy]

I do have some 6.5 125gr Nosler Partitions, but may need to purchase more 6.5 options.

Sounds like you have a good option ready to go if the rifle fits her well.

 

[hipshotgunslinger]

I agree with all this but would take it a step further and put the expanding bullet in the Grendel. Bigger wound channel, more energy and still the benefits of low recoil in the Grendel. An AR Grendel platform would be ideal with an adjustable stock for her short lop and the semi auto action would further reduce recoil. Broadside or quartering away at reasonable distance of course. Sounds fun.

I hadn't really considered it until you said this, I have a 6.8spc upper currently with night vision on it. I could drop a good scope on it and be good to go. My load out of it is a Barnes 95gr TTSX and it's devastating on hogs. I also have some other heavier bullet choices, but this barrel likes sub 100 gr bullets way better.

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[elkguide]

You have "almost 80 rifles."
You have a suppressor (or maybe more?).
You want your young child to have a successful first hunt.

Are you really asking us if she would be OK with a marginal caliber?

 

[Formidilosus]

You have "almost 80 rifles."
You have a suppressor (or maybe more?).
You want your young child to have a successful first hunt.

Are you really asking us if she would be OK with a marginal caliber?

There’s nothing marginal about a 1.5-2” hole through a chest.

That’s what every child asks for in a rifle- “please make it longer, heavier, louder, with more recoil”. Sounds like a winning combo to me.


People wonder why children don’t want to hunt.

Hi all, I'm stoked, my daughter just turned 12 and drew her first tag, a late season cow tag near Durango, CO. We will be hunting out of a blind 3rd season so I will have my Caldwell tripod for my daughter to shoot from and she is a good shot. Recoil is a problem for her since she is 80lbs soaking wet.

I was faced with these options and chose the 6.5 Grendel.

243 Savage - scoped about 7.5 lbs - Burris Fullfield ii 3-9
6.5 Grendel, CZ micro - scoped about 7.4 lbs - Meopta 3-9x42
Bergara 6.5 CM - scoped close to 11lb - Athlon Midas 4.5-27

I have a couple of handfuls of bigger rifles that would be better suited for elk, but she just can't handle or shoot them well. If I go 243, the best Barnes option is an 85gr bullet which is the minimum weight in CO. I think that based on performance, recoil etc. the best option is the 6.5 Grendel with a 100gr TTSX at about 2700fps. I want to stick with Barnes bullets.

My question is, is this the best choice in gun/caliber and MAINLY will the 100gr TTSX open up at those velocities? I know a bunch of you are going to say the Grendel isn't enough, but I have killed dozens of hogs with my 6.8spc and a 95gr Barnes bullet and have seen the damage it does, so I know a well placed shot will kill an elk. I'd rather have a well placed 6.5 shot than an errant 270, 280AI, 308 etc.

Don’t let a bunch of dudes, that have no experience with what you’re asking, and who think a 338 mag “is about right” for a herbivore that people stack up like cordwood every year with pointed sticks.

Give her the rifle she can shoot and manipulate without your help. The 6.5 Grendel with that Barnes will do fine. Though a bit softer bullet would be, and has been my preference, put it in the front half and be done.

 

[260madman]

There’s nothing marginal about a 1.5-2” hole through a chest.

That’s what every child asks for in a rifle- “please make it longer, heavier, louder, with more recoil”. Sounds like a winning combo to me.


People wonder why children don’t want to hunt.








Don’t let a bunch of dudes, that have no experience with what you’re asking, and who think a 338 mag “is about right” for a herbivore that people stack up like cordwood every year with pointed sticks.

Give her the rifle she can shoot and manipulate without your help. The 6.5 Grendel with that Barnes will do fine. Though a bit softer bullet would be, and has been my preference, put it in the front half and be done.

Form, I thought you or one of your party shot an elk with a 6.5 Grendel?

Just don’t search YouTube for the video of a girl shooting an elk with a 6.5G. It’s not something I’d be proud to post up.

 

[elkguide]

There’s nothing marginal about a 1.5-2” hole through a chest.

That’s what every child asks for in a rifle- “please make it longer, heavier, louder, with more recoil”. Sounds like a winning combo to me.


People wonder why children don’t want to hunt.

If I had been pushing a SUPER, DUPER MAGNUM I would find your comments fine but the OP and my response to him was as he stated that he has a suppressor and with a suppressor/brake, I find that a small framed, younger person can shoot a heavier caliber rifle just fine.

While guiding elk hunters, I watched skilled hunters take elk with everything from a .30-.30, .243, .25-06, .357 Magnum as well as watching inexperienced "experts miss/wound elk with big magnums.

In the hands of a skilled marksman like yourself, I'm sure that you would be just fine using a .22 on an elk as you would only take a shot that you knew you could make. In a first time situation, I would opt for a little bit more umph and the larger wound channel of a larger caliber.

 

[Formidilosus]

Form, I thought you or one of your party shot an elk with a 6.5 Grendel?

Just don’t search YouTube for the video of a girl shooting an elk with a 6.5G. It’s not something I’d be proud to post up.

Yes. And 223’s. No problems.


That video shows a couple of things. One, animals act different at range than up close- more like when shot with an arrow. Two, some animals take lots of rounds. Three, high lung shots take longer to kill.

I don’t watch that and say “it’s because the rounds too small”. The first bull I killed was with a 300 WM. It took 3 rounds through the chest, and the 4th shot breaking the spine stopped it. The first three rounds utterly wrecked the chest and yet it still kept going. That same 300 WM killed a buck in rut that also took 4 rounds with a bullet that causes the most horrific wounds of anything I’ve ever seen.


Some things just want to fight.

If I had been pushing a SUPER, DUPER MAGNUM I would find your comments fine but the OP and my response to him was as he stated that he has a suppressor and with a suppressor/brake, I find that a small framed, younger person can shoot a heavier caliber rifle just fine.

While guiding elk hunters, I watched skilled hunters take elk with everything from a .30-.30, .243, .25-06, .357 Magnum as well as watching inexperienced "experts miss/wound elk with big magnums.

In the hands of a skilled marksman like yourself, I'm sure that you would be just fine using a .22 on an elk as you would only take a shot that you knew you could make. In a first time situation, I would opt for a little bit more umph and the larger wound channel of a larger caliber.

I know, and it wasn’t really directed at you or anyone in particular. My position is that I don’t take anyone hunting, regardless of age until they can use their gun without any help whatsoever. I take a lot of new hunters, but they are quite competent before I take them. If people just treated guns like archery with setup and practice we wouldn’t have these discussions.