these are farm raised so dont shoot me, i met a lady this weekend at the farmers market selling pieces of elk antler for dog chews ($25 a lb) and got talking to her, they own a elk ranch here in Michigan and she offered to give us a tour, they have 120 elk and the big one is 560", he said he would have went over 600" but he messed it up in a fence, just thought i would put a few pics on her.