.45 Cal Bullet Recommendations

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Recently ordered a Knight Ultrlite in .45cal. I've been recommended the Barnes bullet by a diehard copper guy but I'm curious what everyone is using? I'm mostly going to be hunting deer and maybe a few cows if i can draw the tags.

I'm open really to anything that anyone has experience with. I've got my eyes on the Dead Center 200gr bullet or the No Excuses 385.

Whats your favorite .45cal muzzy bullet??
 
I’ve been a big fan of anything Fury produces I’ve had great results and really tight groups with their bullets paired with BH209. I’m switching over to a harvester crushed rib sabot from harvester and was recommended to pair it with the .45 Fury STB by ElD on here he’s very knowledgeable when it comes to muzzy stuff and I’m chasing whitetail in sabot legal states. I’ll send you over my results when they come in and I do some testing.
 
I’ve been a big fan of anything Fury produces I’ve had great results and really tight groups with their bullets paired with BH209. I’m switching over to a harvester crushed rib sabot from harvester and was recommended to pair it with the .45 Fury STB by ElD on here he’s very knowledgeable when it comes to muzzy stuff and I’m chasing whitetail in sabot legal states. I’ll send you over my results when they come in and I do some testing.
awesome! ive taken a look at the Fury bullets but not too hard as of yet. I'm thinking its worth investing some more time at this point. ive read some people say they really like them.

And please do send over your results. ive always really enjoyed shooting a muzzy but now i think i'm really going to dive in and get this new gun really dialed and ready.
 
I shoot .45 caliber Furys in sabots in a .50 smokeless gun and shoot .40/225 Fury black tip bonded bullets in my .45 caliber smokeless gun.

I don't do LR muzzleloader hunting. That time of year 100 yards is a long shot for me and I'm more interested in shooting sabots for the lower recoil of sub-sized bullets than the LR benefits of smooth-sized bore diameter projectiles.

The furys have shot well for me and the bonded stuff will flatten out like a pancake if you push them fast enough but they will hold together, if that matters to you.

For reference I shoot the 40/225 at about 2550' in my .45.
 
I shoot .45 caliber Furys in sabots in a .50 smokeless gun and shoot .40/225 Fury black tip bonded bullets in my .45 caliber smokeless gun.

I don't do LR muzzleloader hunting. That time of year 100 yards is a long shot for me and I'm more interested in shooting sabots for the lower recoil of sub-sized bullets than the LR benefits of smooth-sized bore diameter projectiles.

The furys have shot well for me and the bonded stuff will flatten out like a pancake if you push them fast enough but they will hold together, if that matters to you.

For reference I shoot the 40/225 at about 2550' in my .45.
Thank you for that info!

one question i have, with those .40/225s, can you run those in a not smokeless rifle? or are you needing those higher speeds to get the bullet to do what it is supposed to do?

I'd be interested in running those if they work well with BH209 or T7?
 
Thank you for that info!

one question i have, with those .40/225s, can you run those in a not smokeless rifle? or are you needing those higher speeds to get the bullet to do what it is supposed to do?

I'd be interested in running those if they work well with BH209 or T7?
I honestly can't say. I haven't shot anything but steel past 100 yards with them. I've only ever recovered one, and, again, it absolutely pancaked at maybe 2500' impact speed, but that indicates to me that they'd still expand at least some well below 2000'. But I can't say for sure.
 
I honestly can't say. I haven't shot anything but steel past 100 yards with them. I've only ever recovered one, and, again, it absolutely pancaked at maybe 2500' impact speed, but that indicates to me that they'd still expand at least some well below 2000'. But I can't say for sure.
I looked up that .40cal Fury smokeless bullet and they say on the site that its good for black powder and smokeless so that might be the jam. not the cheapest at $72 for a box of 50 but also not the worst by a long shot!

I still want to check these bad boys out though.. might come down to the Furys or the Dead Centers.

 
one question i have, with those .40/225s, can you run those in a not smokeless rifle? or are you needing those higher speeds to get the bullet to do what it is supposed to do?
Yes, they’ll work fine at smoker speeds. They’re a pretty lightly built bullet.
 
have you used the Barnes Expander MZ on game? my buddy says they are pretty lethal.
FWIW, we used to use them 20+ years ago. They were very, very accurate in 45/250 (saboted in 50cal) form in several older Knight MK-85s and while the BC was terrible, they performed well. We just stopped using them because they were expensive and the BC sucked and at the time we (dad and I...) hunted some more open places and wanted a bit more reach and forgiveness on longer shots before we had rangefinders.
 
BTW, here's what a Fury exit looks like at 2500' impact velocity:

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He trotted past me one morning and I basically never turn down a shot at a coyote. He was maybe 50 yards.

I don't usually take pictures of deer wounds but when I've shot deer with them the insides have typically looked about like his exit wound.

I guess it goes without saying, but the craze in eastern/smokelesss muzzleloaders, of high weight high speed bullets, has nothing to do with terminal performance up close, and everything to do with longer range hunting. Last fall I used the same gun (45 smokeless) with a powderpuff load of 28.0 N110 and a 40/200/SST so my daughter could hunt with me, and I shot a nice buck at maybe 60 yards with that load. He was hit in the heart and both lungs and went maybe 60 yards, about like a bow-kill would have. Virtually every modern muzzleloader load you could dream up, is overkill for deer at closer ranges. You just have to endure that to have a decent trajectory at longer ranges.

If I was hunting with an open sighted muzzleloader in, say, CO, I'd likely limit myself to 125-150 yards. I shoot open and peep sighted .22lr a lot during the off seasons for fun, and think 150 yards is about my limit in good light with my eyes. Every now and then I impress myself at longer distances (I shoot .22lr to 225 with peep sights, but it ain't always pretty) but realistically I think 150 yards is a long shot with peep sights.

My point in saying that - if I was in an open-sight-only state, I'd forget high speeds and just learn my trajectory well out to perhaps 150 yards. Even at more traditional conical bullet speeds, trajectory isn't terrible inside of 150 and a .45 caliber *ANYTHING* through the middle-ish of both lungs will kill very quickly.
 
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