.308 Henry Long Ranger good for Elk?

[Jared8054]

Who is “they”?
The 1500 ft lbs has to do with penetration after hitting bone?

Just go look up what the energy of a bullet is

 

[Taudisio]

Just go look up what the energy of a bullet is

I don’t need to look it up.

You posted it, and I want to know what your opinion is and why you posted it. Have you killed many elk? What have you observed when you go above or below what “they” say is the minimum? What happens when I don’t hit bone with 1500+ ft lbs of energy?

 

[Jared8054]

I don’t need to look it up.

You posted it, and I want to know what your opinion is and why you posted it. Have you killed many elk? What have you observed when you go above or below what “they” say is the minimum? What happens when I don’t hit bone with 1500+ ft lbs of energy?

First off I didn’t post it go back and read who you responded to bud. Second I can tell you from the hundreds of pigs I’ve killed that a 308 hitting a rib bone right behind the shoulder is going to drop him vs a .223 zipping through him and running off and tracking it. Well over 100 animals tested on.

 

[Jared8054]

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I don’t need to look it up.

You posted it, and I want to know what your opinion is and why you posted it. Have you killed many elk? What have you observed when you go above or below what “they” say is the minimum? What happens when I don’t hit bone with 1500+ ft lbs of energy?

Same reason you would rather get in a head on collision with a smart car vs a semi truck at 60mph.

 

[Taudisio]

First off I didn’t post it go back and read who you responded to bud. Second I can tell you from the hundreds of pigs I’ve killed that a 308 hitting a rib bone right behind the shoulder is going to drop him vs a .223 zipping through him and running off and tracking it. Well over 100 animals tested on.

This isn’t you bud?

I think they recommend 1500 pounds so if you hit bone you still get adequate penetration.

What bullets have you used in both calibers?
What yardages have you observed these impacts at?
Have you tested this at all angles?
Is a pig the same as an elk?
Enlighten us with your experience! I am here to learn.

 

[Jared8054]

I like your idea of using what you have and see if you need something different later on. 308 is more than adequate you just need to know how much your bullet drops and how much energy your bullet has. 1,500 ft lbs is minimum recommended for elk.

What does 1500 ft lbs do? Who recommends it?

Is this not your original question to someone else?

 

[JimTom]

What does 1500 ft lbs do? Who recommends it?

I'm not sure if you're asking because you've not heard this before, or you have a strong opinion that 1,500 ft lbs is the wrong number. 1,500 ft lbs is the minimum recommended by multiple sources to penetrate deep enough to damage vital organs and looks to be based off "Taylor's knockout factor". Thanks for the questions because I was unaware of Taylor's knockout factor.

What have you found to be the minimum energy or do you think it's not something to worry about?

 

[Jared8054]

This isn’t you bud?


What bullets have you used in both calibers?
What yardages have you observed these impacts at?
Have you tested this at all angles?
Is a pig the same as an elk?
Enlighten us with your experience! I am here to learn.

Used tons of different bullets. impacts out past 250 I’ve tested probably almost every conceivable angle you can think of to shoot a pig at. Yep pigs are the exact same as elk. Lots of cases where guys have wasted their tags shooting pigs instead of elk. Game wardens hate it.

 

[Taudisio]

Is this not your original question to someone else?

That was, you replied for them, and I asked you similar questions that you have not answered any of them.

 

[Jared8054]

That was, you replied for them, and I asked you similar questions that you have not answered any of them.

I already answered all your questions

 

[Taudisio]

I'm not sure if you're asking because you've not heard this before, or you have a strong opinion that 1,500 ft lbs is the wrong number. 1,500 ft lbs is the minimum recommended by multiple sources to penetrate deep enough to damage vital organs and looks to be based off "Taylor's knockout factor". Thanks for the questions because I was unaware of Taylor's knockout factor.

What have you found to be the minimum energy or do you think it's not something to worry about?

I don’t believe that energy matters in the same way that they post it. I have only observed minimum impact velocities for specific bullets posted by the companies that make the bullets, is what matters. For example,

What's the maximum range for acceptable terminal performance with ELD‑X bullets? - Hornady Manufacturing, Inc

It depends on retained velocity and is therefore cartridge dependent. In general, the ELD-X bullets will provide reliable and effective terminal performance up to velocities of approximately 1,600 feet per second. Click here for more information on Hor...

www.hornady.com

 

[Taudisio]

I already answered all your questions

You did post your answer as I was typing.
Can you post a list of the bullets you have tried in each caliber and if they gave you acceptable results or not?
I am dumb, so pictures help me understand what you have seen, so post them too please!

Yep pigs are the exact same as elk. Lots of cases where guys have wasted their tags shooting pigs instead of elk. Game wardens hate it.

I am not comprehending this. Is there a state where guys can turn in elk tags for pig tags? Or are you saying people elect to hunt pigs during the time they have an active elk tag?

 

[JimTom]

I don’t believe that energy matters in the same way that they post it. I have only observed minimum impact velocities for specific bullets posted by the companies that make the bullets, is what matters. For example,

What's the maximum range for acceptable terminal performance with ELD‑X bullets? - Hornady Manufacturing, Inc

It depends on retained velocity and is therefore cartridge dependent. In general, the ELD-X bullets will provide reliable and effective terminal performance up to velocities of approximately 1,600 feet per second. Click here for more information on Hor...

www.hornady.com

Gotcha yea that makes sense to use their data since they've extensively tested it. I think being cognizant of all of the factors will make you more effective. Neither energy or minimum impact velocity is law but gives you something to base your bullet choice and shot distances off of.

 

[Jared8054]

I don’t believe that energy matters in the same way that they post it. I have only observed minimum impact velocities for specific bullets posted by the companies that make the bullets, is what matters. For example,

What's the maximum range for acceptable terminal performance with ELD‑X bullets? - Hornady Manufacturing, Inc

It depends on retained velocity and is therefore cartridge dependent. In general, the ELD-X bullets will provide reliable and effective terminal performance up to velocities of approximately 1,600 feet per second. Click here for more information on Hor...

www.hornady.com

Based on not believing in energy do you think you would be able to tell the difference between say a pig that was shot in the head by a 223 and one shot with a 50bmg?

 

[dårlig jeger]

Based on not believing in energy do you think you would be able to tell the difference between say a pig that was shot in the head by a 223 and one shot with a 50bmg?

That's not a fair question. A 50 BMG will take a person's arm off if it misses by less than 6".

 

[Jared8054]

That's not a fair question. A 50 BMG will take a person's arm off if it misses by less than 6".

You can have a 50 bmg fly an inch from your head and if it doesn’t hit you’ll be fine.

 

[BowBaboon]

Ohhhh yeah boys, here it comes…

 

[Taudisio]

Based on not believing in energy do you think you would be able to tell the difference between say a pig that was shot in the head by a 223 and one shot with a 50bmg?

Depends on the bullets construction and mass. I would expect to see a caliber sized entrance and exit from a full metal jacket from either. If they made a 50bmg varmint bullet, say 250gr tipped 50bmg, would cause more damage than a 50gr 223 based on mass and the shear amount of bullet fragment dispersion. However, I would expect almost any bullet shot into a pigs head to be deadly. Why would I subject myself to the recoil, concussive muzzle blast, and cost over a 223 that will still kill the pig just as dead? I would be able to shoot the 223 a lot more and be more proficient with the rifle as a whole than I could with a 50.

Edit to add, can you please respond to my post 52?

 

[Jared8054]

Depends on the bullets construction and mass. I would expect to see a caliber sized entrance and exit from a full metal jacket from either. If they made a 50bmg varmint bullet, say 250gr tipped 50bmg, would cause more damage than a 50gr 223 based on mass and the shear amount of bullet fragment dispersion. However, I would expect almost any bullet shot into a pigs head to be deadly. Why would I subject myself to the recoil, concussive muzzle blast, and cost over a 223 that will still kill the pig just as dead? I would be able to shoot the 223 a lot more and be more proficient with the rifle as a whole than I could with a 50.

Edit to add, can you please respond to my post 52?

Pigs aren’t like other animals they will go through anything in a straight line to get away thorns bushes doesn’t matter. You don’t have to believe what I say but from actual experience the 308 kills better than 223.

 

[Jared8054]

Depends on the bullets construction and mass. I would expect to see a caliber sized entrance and exit from a full metal jacket from either. If they made a 50bmg varmint bullet, say 250gr tipped 50bmg, would cause more damage than a 50gr 223 based on mass and the shear amount of bullet fragment dispersion. However, I would expect almost any bullet shot into a pigs head to be deadly. Why would I subject myself to the recoil, concussive muzzle blast, and cost over a 223 that will still kill the pig just as dead? I would be able to shoot the 223 a lot more and be more proficient with the rifle as a whole than I could with a 50.

Edit to add, can you please respond to my post 52?

What do you want me to respond about in 52? About how pigs and elk are the same animal?