284 Winchester

[scott]

284 winchester brass, I picked a Browning a bolt 284 winchester in October couldn't find brass online so I called winchester the rep told me no 284 in 2014 and probably not in 2015. I asked him why and he said they were overwhelmed with standard caliber orders.

 

[msalm]

I have several '284' based calibers including the original. That one is on a FN SPR action(Winchester short action). The only thing needed for the Winny actions is their WSM mag box, follower, and shorten the bolt stop. If it is a CRF a little work to the blade ejector is also necessary, but easily done. What does this get you?, 4 rounds in the mag, 3.050 OAL in the mag, and feeds slick as snot with no issues. The only negative is the action itself is heavier than a short 700, but if you use the PTG aliminum bottom metal that is minimized to some degree. Makes a hell of a nice rifle, and I personally like the 284. I have a twin to that one in 25-284, and that is a real sweetheart too, prefer that if I'm hunting deer on down.

 

[GKPrice]

I have several '284' based calibers including the original. That one is on a FN SPR action(Winchester short action). The only thing needed for the Winny actions is their WSM mag box, follower, and shorten the bolt stop. If it is a CRF a little work to the blade ejector is also necessary, but easily done. What does this get you?, 4 rounds in the mag, 3.050 OAL in the mag, and feeds slick as snot with no issues. The only negative is the action itself is heavier than a short 700, but if you use the PTG aliminum bottom metal that is minimized to some degree. Makes a hell of a nice rifle, and I personally like the 284. I have a twin to that one in 25-284, and that is a real sweetheart too, prefer that if I'm hunting deer on down.

In years past I did a lot with a couple of 6mm/284's and the 25/284 has always intrigued me as has a 25/270 WSM

 

[Whisky]

To me it sounds like the 284 might be more trouble then it's worth. Brass availability. Mag restrictions in short action. Feeding issues.

The 7 saum on the other hand is starting to look better and better. Brass was available from a couple places I looked yesterday. Would be fine in a short action with a Wyatt's box. Better ballistics. I just wonder about its recoil in a sub 7lb scoped rifle.

 

[Shrek]

It looks like Norma is supporting the saums so it shouldn't be too much of a problem and someday Remington might even make some for the reloading market. The 7mm saum looks good to me also but I'm still stuck on a 7mm wsm for now. Or maybe a 7mm-300 wsm. I'm pretty sure I'm going to use a Montana 1999 action with a 3.125" magazine.

 

[msalm]

Shrek, have I got a deal for you! . I have a nice Montana action rifle in 300 WSM in a sporter HS precision stock I'd let go...even spin the barrel off and send just the stock and action.

 

[Shrek]

Msalm , pm me some details.

 

[Justin Crossley]

Justin - I didn't take anything "personally" but the 270 WSM leaves many more options than the 280 AI (even though that is a IMHO statement) and while the AI is a beloved PO Ackley favorite I think any of the 4 WSM case designs provide more practical efficiency - As for brass, Winchester wanted very dearly for the WSM line to "fly" and as a result the W-W brass line is especially well made and robust brass - that Nosler, Norma, FC, W-W and RP produce quality brass for the 270 "short mag" illustrates the industry's confidence in the chambering - Also, I have fired many rounds from Tikka, Kimber & Browning rifles and I fail to comprehend your "less recoil" comment, I have found the 270 WSM to be very civilized with "unfriendly" recoil absent even when the rifle is less than 6 lbs in weight - I have owned and loaded for both, I like the 280 AI - That should not preclude my right to hold preferences based on opinion or experience, should it ?

The .270 WSM case capacity is 78.9 grains while the .280 AI case capacity is 67.9 grains. That along with the big step down from case diameter to neck diameter give the .270 WSM higher felt recoil. I have also shot both.

There are simply more and better bullet options out there for .284 diameter than .277 diameter. For some reason, the .277 is very limited on available high b.c. bullet options.

 

[GKPrice]

The .270 WSM case capacity is 78.9 grains while the .280 AI case capacity is 67.9 grains. That along with the big step down from case diameter to neck diameter give the .270 WSM higher felt recoil. I have also shot both.

There are simply more and better bullet options out there for .284 diameter than .277 diameter. For some reason, the .277 is very limited on available high b.c. bullet options.

up until the last year or so I would have agreed with you but not these days - as well, what has been coming from R&D from most all of the bullet manufacturers have been total usable hunting bullets so, again IMHO, there are plenty of good choices in .277 OR .284 to satisfy most or all of our appetites - As far as recoil goes, you and I both know guys who shiver at 25.06 levels of recoil so splitting hairs between the 280 AI and 270 WSM levels of FELT recoil should arguably be a mute point - I've shot a Kimber 84L 280 AI and several 270 WSM,s in close proximity to be able to say with a credible degree of authority that there is not enough difference to warrant that as a sole argument for one over the other and actually, my pet Tikka 270 WSM shooting 140 Accubonds bites me noticeably less than my son's Kimber 270 Win does in the process of working up hunting loads for both - I like tomatoes and you like TOMATOES ?? As a closing comment, a lot of old school benchrest shooters who prefer "short & fat" can't ALL be full of it

 

[msalm]

I can say I will never own any .270 caliber rifle. It does nothing the 6.5's and 7's can't do, or even 25's for that matter too. Yes bullet selection may be better than in years past, but it still sucks in comparison to any of the calibers on either side of it. Plus I got a bad barrel on the ONLY 270 I ever barreled and spent far too much time on that SOB. It soured me, right or wrong. But I've been very happy messing around with calibers of 25, 6.5, 7, and .30 and have not missed the 270 one bit.

 

[Shrek]

I'm in the 270 is just not right camp. It's well known that the 270 is for gay people and liberals and that Jack O'Conner hunted Broke Back Mountain regularly. Over on the 24hr Campfire there's a ten bazillion page thread on just how gay the 270 really is and how carrying anthing 270 is the equivalent of flying a gay pride flag so if you feel the need to defend the honor of the 270 that's fine by me because it let's me know where you stand.









Hahaha

 

[GKPrice]

I'm in the 270 is just not right camp. It's well known that the 270 is for gay people and liberals and that Jack O'Conner hunted Broke Back Mountain regularly. Over on the 24hr Campfire there's a ten bazillion page thread on just how gay the 270 really is and how carrying anthing 270 is the equivalent of flying a gay pride flag so if you feel the need to defend the honor of the 270 that's fine by me because it let's me know where you stand.
Bigger selection for me ..... excuse me while I go cook dinner (elk, antelope, whitetail to choose from, ALL one shot kills with a 270 WSM) SOMEONE has to shoot all that other "stuff"

 

[Ryan Avery]

Keep this thread on track and relevant to the OPs questions. Start your own thread if you want to off on tangents.

 

[VernAK]

Whisky,

Since a long action is OK with you, why not try a 280 Rem.....it's very comparable to the 284 balistically yet brass and ammo is readily available. One more round in most magazines.......and may feed better in some actions......usually better for loading longer/heavier bullets.....if twist is fast enough.

Some folks will go for 280AI but that's another thread and most of us will never know the difference on the range.

 

[Shrek]

The 7mm saum is probably the best choice if you are looking to use a Remington 700 SA with a wyatts extended magazine box. It would fit about the best with the most performance and mild recoil. You can pick up the extra round with a PTG canoe bottom metal if the fourth round in the magazine is important to you. I just committed to a 7mm wsm or 7mm-300 wsm in the Montana action but I'll have a lot more room for long bullets. It comes at the cost of weight but I'm ok with the few extra ounces. I am what I eat so that makes me a pussy too and I can shoot a 7mm wsm on the bench all day if I could find the components and money to burn. 6.5 saum I have is much milder with 140gr bullets and I would expect the ultra efficient 7mm saum to fall in between. I've owned four 7mm wsm's now and I'll soon have another one. Every time I get rid of one I soon realize it's the perfect walking rifle cartridge and buy another one. 7mm saum is very close in performance and more efficient. Good luck .

 

[TwoTikkas]

I had a long action 284 built a couple years ago. Built the damn thing too heavy.(#4 Shilen) Other than that it was a cool build. Throated for the 150gr bullets to be seated flush with the bottom of the neck. It made good use of the available capacity. Fed like a dream too. If I had used a more carry friendly pipe,I'd still have it. I think it's a worthy build for someone looking to do up an efficient .284 with good brass life and ample capacity to launch the heavier bullets. I can't seem to locate any more pics. I had group and loaded round pics,but they must have been deleted. The down side is to do it you need to start with a long action. Brass is getting hard to find. The cool factor is right up there though.

 

[GKPrice]

Ryan and Justin - I find it "funny" how you guys decide whom gets "warned" and whom does not ... best keep a tighter reign on the "gay" posts as there are a lot of folks "out there" who take exception to weak minded girlie boys who STILL find it necessary to make themselves feel more manly by talking down to their betters

 

[Ryan Avery]

Ryan and Justin - I find it "funny" how you guys decide whom gets "warned" and whom does not ... best keep a tighter reign on the "gay" posts as there are a lot of folks "out there" who take exception to weak minded girlie boys who STILL find it necessary to make themselves feel more manly by talking down to their betters

You can see I didn't quote anyone. There where several of you taking it off course! Don't really care who is "MANLY or "BETTERS"

 

[GKPrice]

Ryan, that really wasn't directed at you as past posts can verify - It was meant mainly at the point that my valid arguments were chastised and the "gay" post was not - Being a "newbie" to Rokslide I've been blown away by the pertinent info and relevant opinions expressed but I took personal exception to several rhetorts, not because I'm gay or insecure, but rather because I'm open to new friendships and want any and all information exchanges for what they are, INFORMATION (not good ole boy back up or poor attempts at satire) - Thank you for taking the time to respond !

Have a great New Year !!