2500 class truck

[NRA4LIFE]

In WA here, you can be fined $5K for driving a diesel that has been deleted. A shop just got busted for doing these.

Owners of Clark County automotive repair and performance shop sentenced to home confinement, probation for conspiracy and violations of Clean Air Act

Tacoma – The owners of two Clark County automotive businesses were sentenced yesterday afternoon for conspiracy and felony violations of the federal Clean Air Act for tampering with diesel trucks’ emissions monitoring systems, announced U.S. Attorney Tessa M. Gorman.

www.justice.gov

 

[Snowwolfe]

Just read about a business in Nashville that was fined over $300,000 for selling "delete" parts.
EPA is sending a strong message, Don't do it.

The interesting thing is when Uncle Sammy (at least the USAF) buys a Ford diesel for gov work they specify the builder "delete" the truck when it is built.
How is that for being fair?

 

[brca005]

Just read about a business in Nashville that was fined over $300,000 for selling "delete" parts.
EPA is sending a strong message, Don't do it.

The interesting thing is when Uncle Sammy (at least the USAF) buys a Ford diesel for gov work they specify the builder "delete" the truck when it is built.
How is that for being fair?

“Rules for thee…not for me”

All the emission standards are stupid, while illegal yes, you’ll never hear a guy who’s deleted their truck saying “man, I wish I never would’ve done that”. Everyone I’ve talked to who’s deleted their truck has said it’s the best thing they ever did for their truck.

I’ve owned a 2020 2500 Cummins and a 2021 F350 6.7 Powerstroke, we full timed RV so the truck was needed for towing, I never had any issues and loved both trucks. I however did not love the cost of maintenance, anytime you say “diesel”, just add a “0” to the bill.

Like previously mentioned, unless your state requires extra cost to register a 1 ton, get the 1 ton. It’s better to be over trucked, than under from someone who’s got experience in that (why I needed the F350), then if you ever need to tow something bigger, you’ve already got the truck. “Buy once, cry once”

 

[Snowwolfe]

No ill will to anyone who deletes their truck.
Just don’t toss the old parts in case they are needed in the future.

 

[Axlrod]

Just a comparison of 2500 vs. 3500 towing capacity.
2024 Duramax Chevy 2500 and 3500 are both max of 20,000 lbs towing with conventional trailering (bumper pull).
The only way to get more with the 3500 is to get the dual rear wheel model and use a gooseneck trailer, then it's 31,000 with a 4x4 and 36,000 with a 2 wheel drive. The max capacity of the dually is the same as the single axle if you are using conventional trailering- 20,000 lbs

All equipment being equal the 3500 costs $1200 more than the 2500. This cost is for a couple extra leaf springs in back. The extra springs give you more payload capacity in the truck. Everything , including the drivetrain is the same.

 

[Mxracer532]

It's a Cummins. I do like the dura max though not sure what they do. Liked my fords, but barly could get 17.

My first real trip in my new to me 2021 got 22.3 or something like that coming home from elk hunting, cruise set at 76mph. My last 400 miles has averaged 17.2mpg.

 

[RDF1]

With those kind of problems you either bought some lemons or you have workers driving the trucks that don’t have a penny invested and drive them like that. We had one F250 with a gas motor and got rid of it within a year because when it was loaded it would fall flat on its face. The diesel trucks beat it in fuel, power and everyday reliability as a heavy duty work truck.

I don't deny the Diesels are more powerful.
But Towing they don't get all that much more fuel mileage the the gassers. And from out experience they aren't more reliable, and repairing them is crazy expensive.
They were driven by workers with common sense, none of them were beating on them. Just set the cruise and go.
He doesn't do that kinda work anymore so things are slowed down and changed company we work for.

We sat down one night after work and ran the numbers and it was a few dollars cheaper for me to go get a trailer load of steel plates with my beater gas burner than him with his ram. Mine would get 10.5mpg (@$2.89/GAL) every trip and his ram was getting 12mpg (@$3.75/GAL) every trip to steel plant and back to shop. It cost him $11 more per trip. I tuned mine and his was deleted with a 35hp tune.

October i took a buddy to Florida to do storm work and had to keep up with receipts for reimbursement.
My buddy's 22 3500 ram got 17mpg round trip and mine got 12.5mpg. The whole job we logged 1942 miles and fuel bills in spreadsheet. Those numbers and it cost me $6 more for the whole job. But i did use a gallon of oil haha so theres that. My beater has a tad over 480,000 miles so its far from its prime LOL.

 

[Snowwolfe]

Results vary depending on where you live. In Alaska diesel is generally less expensive than gas. Pros and cons to each.
Generally the break even point is around 100k miles without factoring in the diesel is worth more used. One of the biggest and often overlooked advantage to the diesel is the engine brake.
I'll gladly pay the $10K premium and enjoy the longer range and improved towing experiences. Your choices may be different.
It's nice we have options.
I ordered my 24 with the diesel and I sure as hell don't "need" it. It is purely a want. Same with the 5th wheeler prep package. Cost me $550 to add to the option sheet and I don't even own a 5th wheeler. But it will be there if I decide to buy one and make the truck easier to sell down the road if that happens.
Flip a coin.

 

[NRA4LIFE]

I know I might sound like a wuss, but one of the main factors I will never own a diesel truck is that the smell of diesel fuel is absolutely repulsive to me. My Kubota runs on diesel and every time I get fuel or refuel it I just about puke.

 

[tdhanses]

Just a comparison of 2500 vs. 3500 towing capacity.
2024 Duramax Chevy 2500 and 3500 are both max of 20,000 lbs towing with conventional trailering (bumper pull).
The only way to get more with the 3500 is to get the dual rear wheel model and use a gooseneck trailer, then it's 31,000 with a 4x4 and 36,000 with a 2 wheel drive. The max capacity of the dually is the same as the single axle if you are using conventional trailering- 20,000 lbs

All equipment being equal the 3500 costs $1200 more than the 2500. This cost is for a couple extra leaf springs in back. The extra springs give you more payload capacity in the truck. Everything , including the drivetrain is the same.

Don’t forget payload on the 3500 is about 1000lbs more as well, which could mean a lot. Also 3500’s seem to have better deals and rebates then 2500’s.

 

[tdhanses]

I don't deny the Diesels are more powerful.
But Towing they don't get all that much more fuel mileage the the gassers. And from out experience they aren't more reliable, and repairing them is crazy expensive.
They were driven by workers with common sense, none of them were beating on them. Just set the cruise and go.
He doesn't do that kinda work anymore so things are slowed down and changed company we work for.

We sat down one night after work and ran the numbers and it was a few dollars cheaper for me to go get a trailer load of steel plates with my beater gas burner than him with his ram. Mine would get 10.5mpg (@$2.89/GAL) every trip and his ram was getting 12mpg (@$3.75/GAL) every trip to steel plant and back to shop. It cost him $11 more per trip. I tuned mine and his was deleted with a 35hp tune.

October i took a buddy to Florida to do storm work and had to keep up with receipts for reimbursement.
My buddy's 22 3500 ram got 17mpg round trip and mine got 12.5mpg. The whole job we logged 1942 miles and fuel bills in spreadsheet. Those numbers and it cost me $6 more for the whole job. But i did use a gallon of oil haha so theres that. My beater has a tad over 480,000 miles so it’s far from its prime LOL.

GM diesel has 100k power train warranty and GM gas has 60k warranty, how many people actually put 480k on a vehicle, 99% of vehicle owners trade every 39 months.

 

[tdhanses]

I know I might sound like a wuss, but one of the main factors I will never own a diesel truck is that the smell of diesel fuel is absolutely repulsive to me. My Kubota runs on diesel and every time I get fuel or refuel it I just about puke.

The def in new diesels pretty much takes away the smell of diesel.

 

[gearguywb]

Everyone seems to get excited about "towing capacity"

The real numbers you need to pay attention to are "payload capacity"

There are a lot of 2500's out there with low payloads (Ram in particular). There is a cost for a bit better ride with coil springs.

I have seen fully decked out Ram 2500's with a payload well below 2k lbs.

By the time you add fuel, passengers, bed carried gear, etc., you have almost no legal weight left for a trailer hitch and certainly not the pin weight of a 5th wheel.

 

[brca005]

Everyone seems to get excited about "towing capacity"

The real numbers you need to pay attention to are "payload capacity"

There are a lot of 2500's out there with low payloads (Ram in particular). There is a cost for a bit better ride with coil springs.

I have seen fully decked out Ram 2500's with a payload well below 2k lbs.

By the time you add fuel, passengers, bed carried gear, etc., you have almost no legal weight left for a trailer hitch and certainly not the pin weight of a 5th wheel.

That! ^^^

I’ve read plenty of horror stories online of people towing RV’s, getting into an accident and the insurance finds out their truck was overloaded and told them too bad so sad, and wouldn’t cover the accident. Something to be mindful of, which is why it’s better to be over trucked.

 

[Weldor]

That's a bummer, Diesel smells like money to me. LOL.

 

[Axlrod]

Don’t forget payload on the 3500 is about 1000lbs more as well, which could mean a lot. Also 3500’s seem to have better deals and rebates then 2500’s.

Ya I said "The extra springs give you more payload capacity" in my last sentence. Anyone buying needs to determine their payload needs. The 2500 will handle nearly 2 tons. If you need more get the 3500.

As far as deals go right now, the 2500 has 3.9% and 90 days no payment, the 3500 has nothing.

 

[Marshfly]

Just a comparison of 2500 vs. 3500 towing capacity.
2024 Duramax Chevy 2500 and 3500 are both max of 20,000 lbs towing with conventional trailering (bumper pull).
The only way to get more with the 3500 is to get the dual rear wheel model and use a gooseneck trailer, then it's 31,000 with a 4x4 and 36,000 with a 2 wheel drive. The max capacity of the dually is the same as the single axle if you are using conventional trailering- 20,000 lbs

All equipment being equal the 3500 costs $1200 more than the 2500. This cost is for a couple extra leaf springs in back. The extra springs give you more payload capacity in the truck. Everything , including the drivetrain is the same.

Put 4 adults in the cab and see if that 2500 still has enough payload to carry the tongue weight of that 20k trailer.

It probably won't. Most trucks are payload limited when towing, not trailer weight limited.

 

[Marshfly]

Ya I said "The extra springs give you more payload capacity" in my last sentence. Anyone buying needs to determine their payload needs. The 2500 will handle nearly 2 tons. If you need more get the 3500.

As far as deals go right now, the 2500 has 3.9% and 90 days no payment, the 3500 has nothing.

What 2500 that isn't a stripped 2wd gasser single cab has a 2 ton payload? Most are 2500-2800#. Some are barely 2000#. It's rare to see SRW diesel 3500s over 4k. But they are all over about 3700#.

 

[tdhanses]

Ya I said "The extra springs give you more payload capacity" in my last sentence. Anyone buying needs to determine their payload needs. The 2500 will handle nearly 2 tons. If you need more get the 3500.

As far as deals go right now, the 2500 has 3.9% and 90 days no payment, the 3500 has nothing.

Well guess I’m seeing much better prices, not financing but pricing on the 3500’s then the 2500’s.

Yeah I saw you said extra leafs but that doesn’t give anyone an idea, those extra leafs add about 30% more weight carrying capacity.

I have never seen a 2500 with a 4,000lb payload capacity, most are around 2700lbs or just over a ton.

 

[Axlrod]

What 2500 that isn't a stripped 2wd gasser single cab has a 2 ton payload? Most are 2500-2800#. Some are barely 2000#. It's rare to see SRW diesel 3500s over 4k. But they are all over about 3700#.

I have a Chevy 2500, so that's what I know. For 2024 the lowest payload capacity in a 2500HD 4x4 is 3195# and the highest is 3937#. Every 2024 3500HD is over 4000# except for the 2 Diesel High Country models (3824# & 3876#)

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/04/here-are-2024-chevy-silverado-hd-payload-capacities/

Put 4 adults in the cab and see if that 2500 still has enough payload to carry the tongue weight of that 20k trailer.

It probably won't. Most trucks are payload limited when towing, not trailer weight limited.

Ya if you're towing 20K you should have a 3500 or bigger. Max tongue weight on the 2500 is 500# anyway, so you can have all the people you want.
For reference the 8.5'x20' enclosed I tow has a GVW of 7000 and my 35' bumper pull camp trailer is 6900# GVW. 20,000 is a LOT to tow with a pick-up!